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* Formulas in ConTeXt are different from those in plain TeX
@ 2013-05-10 23:57 Tim Li
  2013-05-11 10:09 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Tim Li @ 2013-05-10 23:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi, I have asked this question on tex.stackexchange.com http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/113592/formulas-in-context-are-different-from-those-in-plain-tex/113609?noredirect=1#comment250549_113609  as the title said, formulas typeset by ConTeXt are different from those by plain TeX. The minimal examples are here: % plain luatex in ConTeXt standalone $$\int_a^bf(x)dx=F(b)-F(a)$$
\bye % context \starttext
\startformula
\int\nolimits_a^bf(x)dx=F(b)-F(a)
\stopformula
\stoptext Marco said to me that that's because the fonts used by LuaTeX and ConTeXt are different. This can be seen from the pdf produced by them pdffonts context.pdf
name                                 type              emb sub uni object ID
------------------------------------ ----------------- --- --- --- ---------OLAZTU+LMRoman12-Regular             CID Type 0C       yes yes yes     18  0
RXHAAY+LatinModernMath-Regular       CID Type 0C       yes yes yes     19  0JTHTZJ+LatinModernMath-Regular       CID Type 0C       yes yes yes     20  0
pdffonts plain.pdf
name                                 type              emb sub uni object ID------------------------------------ ----------------- --- --- --- ---------
APMHZE+LMMathExtension10-Regular     Type 1            yes yes no       4  0
AWBTPY+LMMathItalic7-Regular         Type 1            yes yes no       5  0
ITITNI+LMMathItalic10-Regular        Type 1            yes yes no       6  0
DMNVHT+LMRoman10-Regular             Type 1            yes yes no       7  0
MGKPYK+LMMathSymbols10-Regular       Type 1            yes yes no       8  0 even if using the `modern-designsize-virtual` typescript(advice from Marco), I still get the different outputs.  Now, I get confused about this qustion. If ConTeXt uses LuaTeX as its engine, how can I tune ConTeXt so that it can produce the same formulas with those in plain TeX?  Tim 		 	   		  

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* Re: Formulas in ConTeXt are different from those in plain TeX
  2013-05-10 23:57 Formulas in ConTeXt are different from those in plain TeX Tim Li
@ 2013-05-11 10:09 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2013-05-11 10:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 5/11/2013 1:57 AM, Tim Li wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have asked this question on tex.stackexchange.com
>
> http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/113592/formulas-in-context-are-different-from-those-in-plain-tex/113609?noredirect=1#comment250549_113609
>
>
>
> as the title said, formulas typeset by ConTeXt are different from those
> by plain TeX.
> The minimal examples are here:
>
> % plain luatex in ConTeXt standalone
>
> $$\int_a^bf(x)dx=F(b)-F(a)$$
> \bye
>
> % context
>
> \starttext
> \startformula
> \int\nolimits_a^bf(x)dx=F(b)-F(a)
> \stopformula
> \stoptext
>
> Marco said to me that that's because the fonts used by LuaTeX and
> ConTeXt are different. This can be seen from the pdf produced by them
>
> pdffonts context.pdf
> name                                 type              emb sub uni object ID
> ------------------------------------ ----------------- --- --- --- ---------
> OLAZTU+LMRoman12-Regular             CID Type 0C       yes yes yes     18  0
> RXHAAY+LatinModernMath-Regular       CID Type 0C       yes yes yes     19  0
> JTHTZJ+LatinModernMath-Regular       CID Type 0C       yes yes yes     20  0
>
> pdffonts plain.pdf
> name                                 type              emb sub uni object ID
> ------------------------------------ ----------------- --- --- --- ---------
> APMHZE+LMMathExtension10-Regular     Type 1            yes yes no       4  0
> AWBTPY+LMMathItalic7-Regular         Type 1            yes yes no       5  0
> ITITNI+LMMathItalic10-Regular        Type 1            yes yes no       6  0
> DMNVHT+LMRoman10-Regular             Type 1            yes yes no       7  0
> MGKPYK+LMMathSymbols10-Regular       Type 1            yes yes no       8  0
>
> even if using the `modern-designsize-virtual` typescript(advice from
> Marco), I still get the different outputs.
>
> Now, I get confused about this qustion. If ConTeXt uses LuaTeX as its
> engine, how can I tune ConTeXt so that it can produce the same formulas
> with those in plain TeX?

you could define your own 'plain like' math setup using type one fonts 
and families and all symbol names redefined or use the virtual lm instead


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* Re: Formulas in ConTeXt are different from those in plain TeX
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@ 2013-05-11 11:13     ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2013-05-11 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tim Li, mailing list for ConTeXt users

On 5/11/2013 12:16 PM, Tim Li wrote:
> Thanks, Hans,
> 
> can you give me a small example or show me how to do that? I really 
> don't know how to do that. :-(

see plain.tex and the tex book

but you can bet on interference ... deep down, math in context is
implemented in a rather special way and that might conflict with more
traditional approaches

Hans


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