From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/53627 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Bryant Eastham" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Page Numbering Hell Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:30:09 -0600 Message-ID: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D039292@slcmail.slc.mew.int> References: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2B0@slcmail.slc.mew.int> <4C80A4C0-DBD4-4B7C-A9CB-A16265F22462@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA53BB.0805DACA" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1256286923 8185 80.91.229.12 (23 Oct 2009 08:35:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:35:23 +0000 (UTC) To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Oct 23 10:35:08 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N1FYI-0000iL-Ix for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:31:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D053FC9AAA; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:30:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id WUh13N5RgRL0; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:29:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B510C9ABB; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:29:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB601C9AB7 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:29:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 8thsiYHfLeUP for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:29:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pewla.com (mail.pewla.com [63.78.121.166]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB873C9ABB for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:29:17 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: 0afe9e14-0000010c00000688-e8-4ae169921bdd Original-Received: from slcmail.slc.mew.int ([10.254.158.21]) by mail.pewla.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:30:10 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D039292@slcmail.slc.mew.int> Thread-Topic: [NTG-context] Page Numbering Hell Thread-Index: AcpTs0172XH2E2wjTp668pvvrwfZsAAAedBS X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:53627 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA53BB.0805DACA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thomas, all: =20 It appears that not all of the messages have been delivered in a timely = manner - I just received quite a few. I suppose that is why you = reference the reply I got (or didn't until just now). FYI, it appears to = me that there are major issues with the ntg.nl domain name server - it = sometimes seems to go non-responsive. I can fix my local machine for web = access, but I cannot change my mailer. =20 As I have already written, sorry for the caustic approach. I obviously = have offended you, and apologize. =20 Most of your points are well taken. Yes, I had looked at all the = examples that I could find, I had checked the many references, and could = not find documentation on most of the routines that current postings = seem to indicate should be used. With the further pointers I have = received I will try again, and post my results. =20 As for my "real" comment, snide question begs snide response. I accept = that. However, keep in mind that "real" to me doesn't mean "cool", or = "full of features", or "better", but rather means that it will work, day = in and day out, in a commercial environment. It means that it is tough, = not brittle. It means that I can train people to use it, and then have = them use it reliably. My comment is borne from the little that I can = read about current status, my lack of ability to find a roadmap or = schedule, and the fact that over the course of three solid days of = probing, I have found several issues. It is not meant to diminish the = groups efforts, their goals, or the current status - for all I know (and = have been able to find) the group is small, has too much to do, and = acknowledges that there is a long way to go! I don't know (didn't know = when I asked), and couldn't find any statements one way or the other in = my searching. In particular, it has nothing to do with the amount of = effort or time devoted to the project. I will be the first to = acknowledge that I am a leech, benefiting (at this point) from the = groups efforts while not having provided anything in return. =20 Judging by other responses, the jury is out on "real" (at least of = mkiv). I will continue to evaluate. And, my 35 documents, hundreds of = pages was not meant to be multiplied! I have under 1,000 pages total. =20 Sorry for my typo (TeTeX). =20 Thanks to others for their responses. I will try them out tomorrow, and = will be sure to collect all my hundreds of attempts for the amusement of = the group - maybe in hopes of atoning for my "rant". :-) =20 -Bryant =20 ________________________________ From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl on behalf of Thomas A. Schmitz Sent: Wed 10/21/2009 2:57 PM To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Page Numbering Hell Since you weren't satisfied with the reply you got, here's another=20 attempt to please you: On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Bryant Eastham wrote: > All- > > A few days ago when I first stumbled on ConTeXt I was very, very=20 > excited. I have some 500 pages of technical documentation that could=20 > benefit from this, particularly since I need Japanese font support.=20 > But it has to be real. > > I'm sorry if this sounds caustic, but after 12 hours of failed=20 > attempts to even get a minimal document formatted I have some=20 > serious questions for the list: What do you mean "get even a minimal document formatted"? You're=20 complaining that you don't find "current examples that actually work,"=20 yet instead of a real minimal example, you post only rants. Give us a=20 real example of what you have tried, and someone may be able to help=20 you. > > 1. Is Mark IV real? I am only somewhat joking here - after=20 > spending hours searching for reasonable documentation on even the=20 > most trivial options, I am left wondering whether this is something=20 > I want to use... No Mkiv isn't real. For two years, we've all been part of this=20 elaborate hoax. We pretend we're using a software that doesn't exist. > 2. ConTeXt looks great. But what is current? Seriously, I like=20 > the look and the support (particularly Unicode). But going over=20 > documentation I cannot make heads or tails of what to do. Mark II?=20 > Mark IV? TeTeX? LuaTeX? If I really want to use this, what should I=20 > use? TeTeX is the odd item in your list. It's a defunct TeX system that=20 hasn't been updated in three years or so. You may have meant XeTeX. On=20 a serious note: For 95 % of ConTeXt, it doesn't matter what engine you=20 use. The high-level code in your document should give identical output=20 with pdftext (=3D mkii), XeTeX, or the new luatex engine (=3D mkiv). If=20 you need Japanese, you will probably want to use XeTeX or luatex. For=20 the differences between mkiv and mkii, see = http://wiki.contextgarden.net/MkIV_Differences > 3. Having answered #2, where in the world is a reference=20 > manual!!! I mean one that actually *documents the options*. What documentation did you read? cont-eni.pdf? The wiki? Have you=20 looked at all the manuals available on = http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-man-1.htm ? cont-eni.pdf is still the current documentation; if you want to=20 have a brief look at options, I would recommend = http://texshow.contextgarden.net/ > 4. Having answered #3, are there any current examples that=20 > actually work? The snippets from the mailing are great, but they are=20 > just snippets. That doesn't help me. What is missing on http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Sample_documents ?=20 There are several sample documents. > > Now, to resolve my immediate issue, and just because I will not be=20 > able to sleep well until I figure this out (yes, I am fixated on=20 > this). > > I want this document structure: > > Contents > 1. Chapter 1-1 > 1.1 Section 1-2 > 2. Chapter 2 2-1 > 2.1 Section 2-2 > > Table of contents on page "i". > Even/odd, each chapter starts on right page. > Page number (as in 2-2) in top margin. > Mark IV, Lua document. > > I have tried hundreds of different combinations. If it cannot do=20 > this, the I will (with sadness) move on. I'm sure that it would take=20 > someone who understands this about 5 minutes to write (if that). > Then show us a minimal example of one of these hundreds of=20 combinations, and somebody will look at it and may have an idea. But I=20 doubt that anybody will want to write this for you. 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