From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/53613 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Bryant Eastham" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Page Numbering Hell Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:52:21 -0600 Message-ID: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2DF@slcmail.slc.mew.int> References: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2B0@slcmail.slc.mew.int> <200910210913.55415.alan.braslau@cea.fr> <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2B9@slcmail.slc.mew.int> <200910211800.46075.alan.braslau@cea.fr> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1256280382 22538 80.91.229.12 (23 Oct 2009 06:46:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:46:22 +0000 (UTC) To: "Alan BRASLAU" , Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Oct 23 08:46:15 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N1Dug-0005SA-FJ for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:46:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B350C9C40; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:43:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id rv6r4uWCJ4BR; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:43:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8340C9C33; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:43:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1CFC9BD1 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:42:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id lluvCx4g4jQq for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:42:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pewla.com (mail.pewla.com [63.78.121.166]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44765C9BD0 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:42:30 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: 0afe9e14-0000010c00000688-1c-4adf3c3d1d53 Original-Received: from slcmail.slc.mew.int ([10.254.158.21]) by mail.pewla.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:52:13 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message In-Reply-To: <200910211800.46075.alan.braslau@cea.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [NTG-context] Page Numbering Hell Thread-Index: AcpSZ7vWXe2HYe6cTSWWJaoWGapAeQABOAuA X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:53613 Archived-At: All: Alan comments below on my "aggressive" post. I apologize if it was seen that way. I am serious in my evaluation of ConTeXt, and my questions are quite serious as well. I cannot justify the effort in and cost of converting some 35 documents (many hundreds of pages) into a new format without an evaluation of the format and related tools. So, to restate my questions (potentially less aggressively), and in view of switching our entire technical documentation to ConTeXt: 1. Should I use mkii or mkiv? If mkii, then what should I plan on as schedule for upgrading? 2. Should I use context or texexec? As I understand, this is the same as asking whether to use pdftex or luatex. It may also be related to the mkii/mkiv issue, but I am less sure of that. 3. What *reference* material exists? I do not need a user guide. Right now it has been Google. However, the solutions most recently mentioned on the mailing lists seem to dead-end. I am fine with an answer of "see the source code" if that is really it. And I would still love a short, working example based on previous request. -Bryant -----Original Message----- From: Alan BRASLAU [mailto:alan.braslau@cea.fr] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:01 AM To: Bryant Eastham; ntg-context@ntg.nl Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Page Numbering Hell On Wednesday 21 October 2009 16:24:47 Bryant Eastham wrote: > > However, I find it interesting that in your response there was not a > single real answer to any of my direct questions, nor a working example > of what you admit should be a "simple matter". I clearly wrote that I find the new structure code to be a bit confusing, and invited "experts" to answer your specific questions (also commented in my framework "example"): > % missing setups to: > % 1. frontmatter pagenumbering conversion=romannumerals > % 2. bodymatter pagenumbering "chapter-page" > % 3. reset pagenumber for each chapter > % 4. add blank pages if necessary to start chapters on odd pages. It should be simple, but I have not taken the time/not had the need to look into this. Perhaps someone can easily fill this in (that is if not put-off by the agressivity of the posting). > However, I > believe that my original statements, which boil down to "This thing may > be great, but it needs to be documented (or where is it documented?)", > have been strengthened. Look at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page the paragraph on Documentation, and, in particular, the revision of the user manual. I, too, feel the great need for the updated manual. For this reason, I am trying to join the effort to bring forward its revision (to be done in my "spare time"). Writing good, complete documentation is hard! Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________