From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/53629 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Bryant Eastham" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Page Numbering Hell (SOLVED) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:57:32 -0600 Message-ID: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE3F4@slcmail.slc.mew.int> References: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2B0@slcmail.slc.mew.int> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CA541B.0F92D1E6" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1256456636 4842 80.91.229.12 (25 Oct 2009 07:43:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:43:56 +0000 (UTC) To: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Oct 25 08:43:49 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N1xlU-00019A-V0 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:43:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC8AC9C4F; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:42:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id uhSGHDGxWyB2; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:42:41 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B50C9B10; Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:42:25 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AD3C9AB7 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:00:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ba0edrIlC1RN for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:00:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pewla.com (mail.pewla.com [63.78.121.166]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CD2C9A70 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:59:50 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: 0afe9e14-00000f7000000688-0d-4ae20aaf76a5 Original-Received: from slcmail.slc.mew.int ([10.254.158.21]) by mail.pewla.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:57:35 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message In-Reply-To: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2B0@slcmail.slc.mew.int> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [NTG-context] Page Numbering Hell (SOLVED) Thread-Index: AcpSGNWnMQTIBcBGRs+EPwSBwBN7vwB/7NnQ X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:53629 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CA541B.0F92D1E6 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CA541B.0F92D1E6"; type="multipart/alternative" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CA541B.0F92D1E6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_003_01CA541B.0F92D1E6" ------_=_NextPart_003_01CA541B.0F92D1E6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All- =20 I have attached a heavily commented MKII example that implements the structure that I want. The notes identify several (IMHO) weak spots in documentation, especially some consistency issues. =20 In order to implement this (some said "simple") format, I used: * http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-enp.pdf (the manual) * =20 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/ntg-context@ntg.nl/9815615.html * http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Biochemistry_textbook * http://texshow.contextgarden.net * =20 http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles#Truly_empty_pagebreak_before_chapte rs =20 I'm fine with that. For those (most, I imagine) who don't want to wade through the notes, here is a summary of the most (again, IMHO) issues: * startsectionblockenvironment does not appear documented, and appears to be critical for this style * setuppagenumbering documentation is hard to follow for options 'by\em{section}' and '\em{section}number' o The manual uses inconsistent italics o The texshow page doesn't use italics where it should * setupcombinedlist (through setuplist) has the same inconsistent use of italics. * setuphead is not documented completely (no reference to special 'page' formats) * definepagebreak not documented =20 Also, the solution for 'truly empty pagebreak before chapters' does not appear to work for the last chapter in the document. =20 I would be more than happy to contribute to the texshow documentation and wiki, assuming that I would be given an account... J =20 The list appears to be dead again, so I hope this makes it through. =20 Thanks, -Bryant =20 From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] On Behalf Of Bryant Eastham Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:37 AM To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Subject: [NTG-context] Page Numbering Hell =20 All- =20 A few days ago when I first stumbled on ConTeXt I was very, very excited. I have some 500 pages of technical documentation that could benefit from this, particularly since I need Japanese font support. But it has to be real. =20 I'm sorry if this sounds caustic, but after 12 hours of failed attempts to even get a minimal document formatted I have some serious questions for the list: =20 1. Is Mark IV real? I am only somewhat joking here - after spending hours searching for reasonable documentation on even the most trivial options, I am left wondering whether this is something I want to use... 2. ConTeXt looks great. But what is current? Seriously, I like the look and the support (particularly Unicode). But going over documentation I cannot make heads or tails of what to do. Mark II? Mark IV? TeTeX? LuaTeX? If I really want to use this, what should I use? 3. Having answered #2, where in the world is a reference manual!!! I mean one that actually *documents the options*. 4. Having answered #3, are there any current examples that actually work? The snippets from the mailing are great, but they are just snippets. That doesn't help me. =20 Now, to resolve my immediate issue, and just because I will not be able to sleep well until I figure this out (yes, I am fixated on this). =20 I want this document structure: =20 Contents 1. Chapter 1-1 1.1 Section 1-2 2. Chapter 2 2-1 2.1 Section 2-2 =20 Table of contents on page "i". Even/odd, each chapter starts on right page. Page number (as in 2-2) in top margin. Mark IV, Lua document. =20 I have tried hundreds of different combinations. If it cannot do this, the I will (with sadness) move on. I'm sure that it would take someone who understands this about 5 minutes to write (if that). =20 -Bryant =20 =20 =20 =20 Panasonic Electric Works Laboratory of America - SLC Lab 4525 So. Wasatch Blvd., Suite 100, 84124 Salt Lake City, UT 84124 T 801.993.7124 F 801.993.7260 beastham@pewla.us.pewg.pansonic.com Bryant Eastham Chief Architect =20 =20 ***CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE***: This e-mail and any attachments may contain information which is confidential, proprietary, trade secret, privileged or otherwise protected by law. The information is the property of Panasonic Electric Works Laboratory of America, Inc., and is solely intended for the named addressee (or a person responsible or delivering it to the addressee). If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are not authorized to read, print, retain copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. 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All-

 

I have attached a = heavily commented MKII example that implements the structure that I want. The = notes identify several (IMHO) weak spots in documentation, especially some = consistency issues.

 

In order to implement = this (some said “simple”) format, I used:

·         http://ww= w.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/cont-enp.pdf (the manual)

·         http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/ntg-context@ntg.nl/9815615.ht= ml

·         http://wiki.= contextgarden.net/Biochemistry_textbook

·         http://texshow.contextgarden.ne= t

·         http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles#Truly_empty_pagebreak_bef= ore_chapters

 

I’m fine with = that. For those (most, I imagine) who don’t want to wade through the notes, = here is a summary of the most (again, IMHO) issues:

·         startsectionblockenvironment does not appear documented, and appears to be critical for this = style

·         setuppagenumbering documentation is hard to follow for options ‘by\em{section}’ = and ‘\em{section}number’

o   The manual = uses inconsistent italics

o   The texshow = page doesn’t use italics where it should

·         setupcombinedlist (through setuplist) has the same inconsistent use of = italics.

·         setuphead = is not documented completely (no reference to special ‘page’ = formats)

·         definepagebreak not documented

 

Also, the solution = for ‘truly empty pagebreak before chapters’ does not appear to work for the = last chapter in the document.

 

I would be more than = happy to contribute to the texshow documentation and wiki, assuming that I would = be given an account… J

 

The list appears to = be dead again, so I hope this makes it through.

 

Thanks,

-Bryant

 

From:= ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl] On = Behalf Of Bryant Eastham
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:37 AM
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: [NTG-context] Page Numbering Hell

 

All-

 

A few days ago when I first stumbled on ConTeXt I = was very, very excited. I have some 500 pages of technical documentation that = could benefit from this, particularly since I need Japanese font support. But = it has to be real.

 

I’m sorry if this sounds caustic, but after = 12 hours of failed attempts to even get a minimal document formatted I have some = serious questions for the list:

 

1.       Is Mark IV real? I am only somewhat joking here = – after spending hours searching for reasonable documentation on even the = most trivial options, I am left wondering whether this is something I want to use…

2.       ConTeXt looks great. But what is current? = Seriously, I like the look and the support (particularly Unicode). But going over documentation I cannot make heads or tails of what to do. Mark II? Mark = IV? TeTeX? LuaTeX? If I really want to use this, what should I = use?

3.       Having answered #2, where in the world is a = reference manual!!! I mean one that actually *documents the = options*.

4.       Having answered #3, are there any current = examples that actually work? The snippets from the mailing are great, but they are = just snippets. That doesn’t help me.

 

Now, to resolve my immediate issue, and just = because I will not be able to sleep well until I figure this out (yes, I am fixated on = this).

 

I want this document structure:

 

Contents

1.       = Chapter       =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;   1-1

1.1 Section           =             &= nbsp;     1-2

2.   Chapter 2            =             &= nbsp;         2-1

    2.1 Section           =             &= nbsp;         2-2

 

Table of contents on page = “i”.

Even/odd, each chapter starts on right = page.

Page number (as in 2-2) in top = margin.

Mark IV, Lua document.

 

I have tried hundreds of different combinations. If = it cannot do this, the I will (with sadness) move on. I’m sure that it would = take someone who understands this about 5 minutes to write (if = that).

 

-Bryant

 

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