footnotes on wrong page

footnotes on wrong page

[Alan Bowen]

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What is the setting that forces ConTeXt to keep footnotes on the page where
they are called?

In the following example,

\setupinteraction[state=start]
\setupnotation[footnote][interaction=yes,way=bytext]

\setupnotation[footnote][split=verystrict]

\starttext
\dorecurse{50}{some text\footnote{a footnote} }
\stoptext

the call for note 42 and the note itself are on different pages. I realize
that this may be an extreme case, but, regrettably, that is what I have in
a review that I am typesetting.

Alan

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Re: footnotes on wrong page

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/23/2013 9:22 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:
> What is the setting that forces ConTeXt to keep footnotes on the page
> where they are called?
>
> In the following example,
>
> \setupinteraction[state=start]
> \setupnotation[footnote][interaction=yes,way=bytext]
>
> \setupnotation[footnote][split=verystrict]
>
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{50}{some text\footnote{a footnote} }
> \stoptext
>
> the call for note 42 and the note itself are on different pages. I
> realize that this may be an extreme case, but, regrettably, that is what
> I have in a review that I am typesetting.

you use the wrong command and there is also the scope parameter

\setupnotes[footnote][split=verystrict,scope=page]



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Re: footnotes on wrong page

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 22:24:50 +0200
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> you use the wrong command and there is also the scope parameter
> 
> \setupnotes[footnote][split=verystrict,scope=page]

Can you clarify this? The syntax is confusing, probably because it has
evolved.

Currently, I use:
	\setupnotation [footnote] [way=bypage,numberconversion=set 2]
for example, but maybe this is no longer the recommended syntax?

Also, in order to restore gobbled space following,%
\startfootnote
\stopfootnote
I use the following setup:
	\setupnote [footnote] [next={ }]
So \setupnotation, \setupnote, \setupnotes is confusing.

Of course, there is
	strc-not.mkvi:\let\setupnotes\setupnote
so \setupnotes is just a synonym for \setupnote.
And then there is also:
	strc-not.mkvi:\let\setupnotations\setupnotation

From what I understand, footnotes can be handled using different
mechanisms, and this is why it gets confusing for users.

Alan
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Re: footnotes on wrong page

[Marco Patzer]

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On 2013–07–24 Alan BRASLAU wrote:

> From what I understand, footnotes can be handled using different
> mechanisms, and this is why it gets confusing for users.

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Unexpected_behavior#Footnotes:_The_Difference_between_.5Csetupnotation_and_.5Csetupnote

Marco

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Re: footnotes on wrong page

[Schmitz Thomas A.]

On Jul 24, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Marco Patzer <homerow@lavabit.com> wrote:

> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Unexpected_behavior#Footnotes:_The_Difference_between_.5Csetupnotation_and_.5Csetupnote

I wasn't aware of this page - thanks a lot, this is VERY useful!

Thomas

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Re: footnotes on wrong page

[Alan Bowen]

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Thanks to all for drawing my attention to the wiki page on \setupnotation
vs \setupnote and thanks to Hans for introducing the scope key.

In the original example, only scope=page gets the footnote calls and the
footnotes on the same page.

So what is the difference between the split and scope keys and what does
scope=text do?

Alan


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Schmitz Thomas A. <
thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:

>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Marco Patzer <homerow@lavabit.com> wrote:
>
> >
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Unexpected_behavior#Footnotes:_The_Difference_between_.5Csetupnotation_and_.5Csetupnote
>
> I wasn't aware of this page - thanks a lot, this is VERY useful!
>
> Thomas
>
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Re: footnotes on wrong page

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/24/2013 1:34 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:
> Thanks to all for drawing my attention to the wiki page on
> \setupnotation vs \setupnote and thanks to Hans for introducing the
> scope key.

not so much introducing ... the key was already there

> In the original example, only scope=page gets the footnote calls and the
> footnotes on the same page.
>
> So what is the difference between the split and scope keys and what does
> scope=text do?

being even more strict (using different control mechanism)

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Re: footnotes on wrong page

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/24/2013 12:23 PM, Schmitz Thomas A. wrote:
>
> On Jul 24, 2013, at 11:57 AM, Marco Patzer <homerow@lavabit.com> wrote:
>
>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Unexpected_behavior#Footnotes:_The_Difference_between_.5Csetupnotation_and_.5Csetupnote
>
> I wasn't aware of this page - thanks a lot, this is VERY useful!

a nice page indeed!


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Re: Footnotes on wrong page

[Hans Hagen]

jeffdod@netzero.net wrote:
> I wrote about this a few days ago, but did not get a response, perhaps because I included sample code. So...this time I am including the main part of my code so you can perhaps see what I am doing wrong.
>
> My problem is that many of my footnotes show up on the wrong page. Sometimes the text that references the footnote is at the bottom of a page, and the footnote number shows up with a small graphic arrow next to it. In these cases, the actual footnote text will show up on the next page. Also in this case, the footnote number with the footnote text will usually be labeled "1", even though the next footnote after it (the one that really belongs on that page) is numbered "1" also.
>
> Sometimes footnote numbers appear in the text even though there is no footnote on any page that has that number.
>   
the numbering is related to the fact that you use page bound notes; 
since footnotes are 'typeset on the spot' the 1 is already set when tex 
decides to move the note; (ok, i can probably cook up a solution for 
this, but it's kind of hairy)

concerning moved notes: you can play with

[split=tolerant|strict|verystrict|default|some-number]

as footnote options

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Footnotes on wrong page

[jeffdod]

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I wrote about this a few days ago, but did not get a response, perhaps because I included sample code. So...this time I am including the main part of my code so you can perhaps see what I am doing wrong.

My problem is that many of my footnotes show up on the wrong page. Sometimes the text that references the footnote is at the bottom of a page, and the footnote number shows up with a small graphic arrow next to it. In these cases, the actual footnote text will show up on the next page. Also in this case, the footnote number with the footnote text will usually be labeled "1", even though the next footnote after it (the one that really belongs on that page) is numbered "1" also.

Sometimes footnote numbers appear in the text even though there is no footnote on any page that has that number.

Any help is appreciated.

Jeff Dodson


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% Use t-ancientgreek module for typesetting ancient Koine Greek
\usemodule[ancientgreek][font=Aristarcoj,scale=1.1]
%\usemodule[ancientgreek][font=KadmosNew,scale=1]
%\usemodule[ancientgreek][font=GreekGentiumAlt,scale=1]

% Set up custom paper size
\definepapersize[TradePaper][width=6in,height=9in]
\setuppapersize[TradePaper][TradePaper]

% Set up page layout
\setuplayout
[
    topspace=.3in,
    %bottomspace=.25in,
    bottomspace=0in,
    bottom=.25in,
    bottomdistance=.1in,
    cutspace=0in,
    backspace=.5in,
    header=.2in,
    headerdistance=.1in,
    footer=0in,
    rightmargin=0in,
    leftmargin=0in,
    height=8.15in,
    width=4.75in
]

% Use 12pt font by default
\setupbodyfont[Serif,11pt]

% Set up line-break tolerance
\setuptolerance[horizontal,space,verytolerant]
\raggedbottom

% Set up indentation parameters
\setupindenting[big,yes]
%\setupindenting[medium,yes]
\indenting[always]

% Set up inter-paragraph spacing
\setupwhitespace[medium]

% Set up a counter that will act as our footnote label
\newcounter\fnumlabel

% Set up special command to turn off default footnote numbers next to footnote text
\def\deffnumsoff#1{\tfxx}

% Set up footnotes in paragraph form (n=0) with proper font size, etc., and no default footnote numbers.
% Footnote numbers will be part of actual footnote text.
\setupfootnotes[n=0,bodyfont=9pt,way=bypage,before=\crlf\hairline,textcommand=\vii\high,style=\it\vii,rule=off,numbercommand=\deffnumsoff,split=tolerant]

% Left-justify footnotes
\setupfootnotedefinition[distance=0pt]

% Set up custom macro to replace default \footnote macro. This macro will include the footnote number
% as part of the footnote text and then increment the footnote label counter for the next footnote.
\def\fnote#1#2{\footnote[\fnumlabel]{\note[\fnumlabel]\localgreek{#1}, \ix{\it{#2}}}\increment\fnumlabel}

% Set up footnotes so that there is hyphenation
%\setupnote[footnote][align={normal,hyphenated}]
\setupnote[footnote][align={nothyphenated,stretch,verytolerant}]

% Set up macros to handle drop-cap chapter numbers
%\def\DropChapOne{\DroppedCaps{}{Serif}{4\baselineskip}{0pt}{2\baselineskip}{3}}
\def\DropChapOne{\DroppedCaps{}{Serif}{2.4\baselineskip}{5pt}{1\baselineskip}{2}}
\def\DropChap{\DroppedCaps{}{Serif}{2.4\baselineskip}{5pt}{1\baselineskip}{2}}

% Set up marker for verses
\definemarking[verse][verses]

%
% Text formatting macros:
%

% Very large dropped number for first chapter number of book
\def\bookbeg#1#2{\DropChapOne{#1}\marking[verse]{#1:#2}}

% Large dropped number for subsequent chapter numbers
\def\chapnum#1#2{\par\DropChap{#1}\marking[verse]{#1:#2}}

% Smaller, bold number followed by a non-breaking space for verse numbers
\def\versenum#1#2{{\tfx\bf #2}~\marking[verse]{#1:#2}}

% Macro for all Greek text. Note that we turn off hyphenation in this text.
\def\lg#1{\localgreek{#1}}
\def\lag#1{\localaltgreek{#1}}

% Book-style alternating pages
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided,location=,way=bytext,partnumber=no]
\setupbottomtexts[pagenumber]
\setupbottom[style=\tf,state=high]

% Clear out header texts, then set them up again
\setupheadertexts[]
\setupheadertexts[\setups{text a}][][][\setups{text b}]

% Set up header text for odd pages
\startsetups[text a]
  \hfill
  \getmarking[chapter]
  \hfill
  \llap{\getmarking[verse][first]--\getmarking[verse][last]}
\stopsetups

% Set up header text for even pages
\startsetups[text b]
  \rlap{\getmarking[verse][first]--\getmarking[verse][last]}
  \hfill
  \getmarking[chapter]
  \hfill
\stopsetups

% Hairline under every header
%\setupheader[text][after=\hairline]
\setupbackgrounds[header][text][frame=off,bottomframe=on]

% Special command to turn off chapter title numbers
\def\nochapnum#1{\crlf\crlf\crlf}

% Set up beginning-of-chapter pages so that they don't have headers
\setuphead[chapter][numbercommand=\nochapnum,distance=0pt,header=high,footer=empty,textstyle=\tfd,alternative=middle]

% Make sure footnotes stay with page they are referenced on
\brokenpenalty \zerocount

% No hyphenation please
\nohyphens

\starttext
\part[GospelsAndActs]{Gospels and Acts of the Apostles}
\chapter[Matthew]{\lg{ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ}}
\input 01_MT.xcoded.utf8
\stoptext

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