From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/84177 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: [***SPAM***] YATM (Yet Another Table Method) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:29:34 +0200 Message-ID: <522DA30E.6010800@wxs.nl> References: <20130907103149.3252@binki> <522B0841.7080405@wxs.nl> <20130908093348.2764@binki> <70B48C5D-10E8-4C6B-972B-5243A2F33D6E@gmail.com> <20130908234146.3476@binki> <522C91F5.5020205@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378722584 28788 80.91.229.3 (9 Sep 2013 10:29:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:29:44 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Sep 09 12:29:47 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VIyj4-0006do-8H for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; 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it doesn't have the = x,y setup but named rows, cells and row/cellgroups are quite ok >> Do you plan to add something equivalent to >> \setupTABLE[][][] >> because xtables lack the function to set values for certain rows/columns. not on the agenda (one can use symbolic names of setups which is more = powerful that hard coded numbers) >> Wolfgang > > The "more" is - named cells? Faster rendering? > > IMHO - wouldn't be better to extend TABLEs to be as good as xtables > (i.e. - add named cells)? no, as it would be even slower .. i also tend not to touch TABLE to much = as it is used in workflows that demand stability > Or to unify xtables and TABLEs - make xtables and TABLEs have the same > functionality and options, and make their names/commands synonyms? > > - When I started using Ctx, there were so many tabling commands and I > always had to compare their possibilities to select one; and to check > whether the chosen "tabler" is not deprecated. > > So I ended up with TABLEs (and Lua). > > Now, it seems to me that TABLEs will become deprecated, being replaced > with xtables... it will never be deprecated but i might have missed an announcement -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________