From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/84290 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Huttar Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: bug? gap appears in columnset Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:57:57 -0400 Message-ID: <5238A635.6040103@sil.org> References: <52337079.6020509@sil.org> <5233739A.2010308@sil.org> <52374DF3.4040602@sil.org> <52377820.1000803@sil.org> <52386F02.3000307@sil.org> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379444294 22807 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2013 18:58:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:58:14 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Sep 17 20:58:19 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VM0TT-0004Et-1m for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:58:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE485101FA; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:56:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id gDlbirrvpaeP; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:56:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1F2101E9; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:56:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2DE101E9 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:56:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id CYNsxu0O5ZAA for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:56:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (filter3-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.71]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D765101E8 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:56:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp1.wsfo.org (smtp1.wsfo.org [162.40.29.51]) by filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r8HIvx6R013246 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:58:01 +0200 Original-Received: from mail.link77.net (cgp2.mail.link77.net [172.22.65.14]) by smtp1.wsfo.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8HIvwAM032705 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:57:58 -0400 X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.15 (ClamAV engine v0.96.5) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.15 (ClamAV engine v0.96.5) X-ExtScanner: Niversoft's Find_Attachments Original-Received: from [172.22.6.6] (account lars_huttar@sil.org [172.22.6.6] verified) by mail.jaars.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPSA id 135078331; Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:57:58 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 In-Reply-To: <52386F02.3000307@sil.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.71 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.73 on 172.22.65.23 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0131 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=162.40.29.51; country=US; region=NC; city=Waxhaw; postalcode=28173; latitude=34.9273; longitude=-80.7278; metrocode=517; areacode=704; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=34.9273,-80.7278&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 03KqiW02l - 916ee2cfaaa6 - 20130917 (trained as not-spam) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:84290 Archived-At: Hans wrote, > Just wondering ... do you think that the first pages look ok? Thanks for your response. By "look ok", are you referring to the closeness of the lines of text? It does seem kind of close, but within acceptable limits, depending on other constraints; however I'm not really the one to make aesthetic decisions about the document. I'm just trying to implement what the customer wants. Also, the minimal example is stripped down to minimally exercise the unexplained behavior, so it doesn't reflect the fact that in our actual document, we reduce the font size in places where we reduce the interlinespace. In that sense, maybe a less minimal example would serve the purpose better. I'll work on that, now that I know the font size may be an integral part of the problem. > You mess > with the interlinespace in a way that will make the outcome never look > okay. I'd like to know more what that means, but I think it's elaborated on below when you talk about baselineskip. > Also, columnsets assume that the interlinespace is sane. Can you point me to documentation on the constraints that define what kind of interlinespace is sane? Also, given the goal that "For using ConTeXt, no TeX programming skills and no technical background are needed. Some basic knowledge of typography and document design will enable you to use the full power of ConTeXt" (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/What_is_ConTeXt), does/could ConTeXt issue an error when its assumptions are violated? > \setbox0\hbox{Tg}\the\htdp0,\the\baselineskip > > gives > > 10.59601pt,9.3pt > > so, any line that has a character with ascender and descender will > enforce a larger than 9.3pt distance + lineskip and mess up any > prediction cq. heuristics I can't find any reference defining \htdp0, but I'm guessing it means the height+depth (where depth means how far descenders extend below the baseline) of the "Tg" box. I'm also confused as to why you're adding 9.3pt + lineskip, when in my limited understanding of TeX, I understood lineskip to be *part* of the distance between baselines, rather than an additional distance. But maybe that's not important to the main issue. I'm trying to formulate a rule for knowing whether "interlinespace is sane". Is it that interlinespace needs to be more than or equal to the maximum of (height + depth + lineskip) of any line in the text? Thanks again for your help. Lars ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________