From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/84326 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Huttar Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: bug? gap appears in columnset Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:25:49 -0400 Message-ID: <523B096D.70801@sil.org> References: <52337079.6020509@sil.org> <5233739A.2010308@sil.org> <52374DF3.4040602@sil.org> <52377820.1000803@sil.org> <52386F02.3000307@sil.org> <5238A635.6040103@sil.org> <523A1F7C.8020002@sil.org> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379600762 17278 80.91.229.3 (19 Sep 2013 14:26:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:26:02 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Sep 19 16:26:06 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VMfBE-0005u0-MA for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:26:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6760101EA; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:24:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id odN0Ju3aW4XT; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:24:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59110101E5; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:24:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B57B101E5 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:23:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 8B8N8wyMVpfT for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:23:57 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-utr.mf.surf.net (filter1-utr.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.152]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871D710193 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:23:57 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-yh0-f42.google.com (mail-yh0-f42.google.com [209.85.213.42]) by filter1-utr.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r8JEPp3Z030604 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:25:53 +0200 Original-Received: by mail-yh0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so4148403yhz.15 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:25:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qWYfoFLEyWIo+zEFGGr8sdNwT2EXSlUmWmzsLDmV6yM=; b=A0SpY117cv62HA3RrSpvSQFvjihWqmjRDfKUAjgkyDwA/hZ/kzwujaUaxy4FJHuOAC rUyAOtI45VknVXJQ+hbOLGvY3WldsR+RLHahMbvmLlrIhJ6irX+1rXOxjk18S7fB+OtB B5Kq/ZCydqe0xKP/2wX0l/zoWg6vz30KoC/damegMDEBra+4vHoP8RDo3FNWbta5qKql MdPkptXcH/SpI6Ex+fWtkx8Q7VZZNYYSbV8h2Als4Y5pZ/Tzs02BS9Ju4Aj3LWnlsWED IFY09YiTi3/hHf7QmuIBLEQ4sbigWovTyT2iVdDrejFob50ls9Zrr7y5ydMDz+PDdIVx jnvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnlhvsfb6akwwUo396YCOuNxwUBciGEwvanTr9QRJWJZpchG5M+/8H2Y2uxfqZN+YLoHDLf X-Received: by 10.236.126.43 with SMTP id a31mr321994yhi.219.1379600751244; Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [172.22.6.6] ([162.40.29.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 9sm11085277yhd.19.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Sep 2013 07:25:50 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 In-Reply-To: <523A1F7C.8020002@sil.org> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.213.42; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 07Kr2pQ02 - 313efb16be1c - 20130919 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:84326 Archived-At: Hans wrote, > Columnsets are rather special and mostly meant for magazine like > documents, where content can span columns, images are explicitly placed > on the grid, etc. For that reason columnset soperate on a rather strict > grid that gets setup based in the lineheight and although content can be > larger, the grid dictates what happens. Balancing is semi automatic and > nearly always demands some tweaks. In our use of columnsets, we do have content that can span columns (but we keep it outside of columnsets). We also have images within columns that are placed in the flow of text via hangarounds. We manually tweak our column lengths on each page (e.g. \setupcolumnsetlines[columnset10][1][1][42]), in order to avoid the worst of the widows and orphans. As you say, balancing requires manual tweaks too, but it's not that big a burden, since we're already doing \setupcolumnsetlines for many pages. > Using columnsets for a large document that has to flow automatically is > therefore debatable. Regular multi columns or in mkiv mixed-columns are > a better choice then. We have tried to port our code to mkiv, but have so far found been unsuccessful. (But are trying again now, having found new success with TL2013 mkii.) Also, we've been unable to find any statement that mkiv is out of beta status. Moreover, much of the documentation still seems to be oriented toward mkii. So it's hard to justify much of a time investment in porting production work to mkiv yet. Can you comment on the official status of mkiv? Regarding mixed-columns: I understand it's a rewrite of the old "columns" model. My impression is that "columns" didn't support manual tweaking of column lengths (like \setupcolumnsetlines). Does mixed-columns support such a thing? That would be a critical question for us, as it wouldn't be an option for us to spend time porting to mkiv and using mixed-columns, if it doesn't allow us to tweak the height of each column on each page. Thanks again for your help and advice. Lars ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________