From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/84497 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Huttar Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: What do \start and \stop mean? 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Is that right? >> They are defined in core-sys.mkiv, but I can't figure out from there >> what they actually do. > > (Untested, based on what I remember): > > \start = \bgroup > \stop = \egroup > > but \start scans the next argument, so there are situations when > \start may fail but \bgroup works. > > \start[whatever] ... \stop = \startwhatever ... \stopwhatever > Ouch, that sounds like two very different behaviors, depending on whether an argument is present. I think I'll document \start at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/start but take the usage of it out of the ref man's examples, replacing it with { and }, as long as the examples still work. It's not important to any of the examples. Thanks, Aditya and Luigi, for the quick assist. Lars > > Aditya > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________