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On 10/13/2013 01:39 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 12.10.2013 um 15:04 schrieb Zhichu Chen <zhichu.chen@gmail.com=20
> <mailto:zhichu.chen@gmail.com>>:
>
>> Hi Wolfgang,
>>
>> Good to know that, but I might have some questions.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Wolfgang Schuster=20
>> <wolfgang.schuster@gmail.com <mailto:wolfgang.schuster@gmail.com>> wro=
te:
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [DejaVu Serif]
>>     [range=3Dcyrillic,force=3Dyes]
>>
>> What if I want to use the CJK font? The code in "font-sel.mkvi" hints=20
>> I could use range=3Dchinese but it didn't work. I have to use interval=
=20
>> {0x00400-0x2FA1F} explicitly.
>
> When you take a look into char-def.lua you can see names certain=20
> character ranges and =93range=3Dcyrillic=94
> used such a name.
>
> For a chinese font you need=20
> =93range=3D{cjkunifiedideographs,cjkunifiedideographsextensiona,=85}".
> Because the list with names is very long you do this setup only once=20
> with the \definefontfamilypreset
> command, e.g.
>
> \definefontfamilypreset[chinese][range=3D{cjkunifiedideographs,cjkunifi=
edideographsextensiona,=85}]
>
> and load this setup when you set the font with=20
> \definefontfamilyfallback, e.g.
>
>   \definefontfamilyfallback[<typeface>][<style>][<font>][preset=3Dchine=
se]
>
> For the moment I added three presets =93chinese=94, =93japanese=94 and=20
> =93korean=94 but they need better
> names, e.g. =93range:chinese=94 because there could be also=20
> =93features:chinese=94 etc.
I get it now. I can put range and features of the fallback fonts in the=20
preset.
>
>> And how can I assign the boldfont, italicfont and bolditalicfont? I'm=20
>> currently using the Adobe Song Std as the regular font but it didn't=20
>> come with a bold version or else, hence I might need this feature.
>
> The module provides keys to apply a certain font and feature for each=20
> alternative (upright, italic etc.)
> of a font, a complete list with all keys is shown in the table below.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> | Alternative | Font            | Feature             |
> |-----------------------------------------------------|
> | tf          | regularfont     | regularfeatures     |
> | it          | italicfont      | italicfeatures      |
> | sl          | slantedfont     | slantedfeatures     |
> | bf          | boldfont        | boldfeatures        |
> | bi          | bolditalicfont  | bolditalicfeatures  |
> | bs          | boldslantedfont | boldslantedfeatures |
> | sc          | smallcapsfont   | smallcapsfeatures   |
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> The feature-keys expect the name from the \definefontfeature command,=20
> when you don=92t
> specify a feature to a certain alternative the value from the=20
> =93features=94 key is used.
>
> When you want to set a certain font for a alternative there are=20
> different ways, I=92m going
> to show the different ways with a few examples where I change the font=20
> for italic.
Thanks for the descriptions. I have made a small test and turns out the=20
"regularfont" has to be assigned to something or the other "xxxfont"s=20
won't have any effects.

Here's my code:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [adobesongstd]
   [range=3D{0x00400-0x2FA1F}%
   ,regularfont=3Dname:adobesongstdlight%
   ,italicfont=3Dname:adobefangsongstdregular%
   ,boldfont=3Dname:adobeheitistdregular%
   ,bolditalicfont=3Dname:adobekaitistdregular%
   ,force=3Dyes%
   ,features=3Dsong%
   ]
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
and if I remove the "regularfont=3D..." line, the boldface Chinese=20
characters will use the Adobe Song Std font as well. Same thing happened=20
when I used the "preset=3Dxxx" option which I don't know if it is intende=
d=20
to behave like that, by the way.

Oh, and off the topic, can I use "effect" to assign the fonts? Like if I=20
have defined
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
\defineeffect[mybold][alternative=3Dboth,rulethickness=3D\dimexpr\bodyfon=
tsize/10\relax]
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I would like to use this effect to apply to my bold fonts, maybe:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
\setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif] [boldfont=3Deffect:mybold]
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
I know this has nothing to do with this module. I just thought this=20
might be interesting.
>
> 1. Use the filename of a font. With the =93file:=94 prefix you can the=20
> tell the module
> to look for a file with the given name, when the file isn=92t found the=
=20
> font from
> the tf-alternative is used. The file-method is also used when you omit=20
> the prefix.
>
> \setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif] [italicfont=3Dfile:dejavuserifb=
old]
>
> \starttext
> Regular and \it Italic
> \stoptext
>
> 2. Use a certain style. When you use the =93style: =94prefix the module=
=20
> looks for a certain
> style of the requested font.
>
> \setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif] [italicfont=3Dstyle:bolditalic]
>
> \starttext
> Regular and \it Italic
> \stoptext
>
> 3. Search for a font with a certain name. When you use the =93name:=94=20
> prefix the module
> looks for a font with the requested name. Names are internal values of=20
> a font which
> is sometimes the same as the filename.
>
> \setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif] [italicfont=3Dname:dejavuserifb=
old]
>
> \starttext
> Regular and \it Italic
> \stoptext
>
> 4. Use the spec information. When you use the =93spec:=94 prefix you ca=
n=20
> request a font
> with a certain =93weight=94 (bold or normal), =93style=94 (italic or no=
rmal)=20
> and variant (smallcaps or normal).
>
> \setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif] [italicfont=3Dspec:bold-italic]
>
> \starttext
> Regular and \it Italic
> \stoptext
>
>
> There is a possibility that I change the way to set font and features=20
> for alternatives
> in the feature to a way which is more compact and easier to parse in Lu=
a.
>
> Wolfgang


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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/2013 01:39 AM, Wolfgang
      Schuster wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      cite=3D"mid:7D24BFCF-3023-47A2-A243-582C49B7FA79@gmail.com"
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        <div>Am 12.10.2013 um 15:04 schrieb Zhichu Chen &lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:zhichu.chen@gmail.com=
">zhichu.chen@gmail.com</a>&gt;:</div>
        <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
          <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div>Hi Wolfgang,<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            Good to know that, but I might have some questions.<br>
            <div>
              <div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
                <br>
                <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:02
                  AM, Wolfgang Schuster <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a
                      moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
                      href=3D"mailto:wolfgang.schuster@gmail.com"
                      target=3D"_blank">wolfgang.schuster@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span>
                  wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px
                    0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px;
                    border-left-style: solid; border-left-color:
                    rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex; position:
                    static; z-index: auto; ">Hi all,<br>
                    <br>
                    \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [DejaVu
                    Serif] [range=3Dcyrillic,force=3Dyes]<br>
                  </blockquote>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
          <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div>
              <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
                <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                  <div>What if I want to use the CJK font? The code in=A0
                    "font-sel.mkvi" hints I could use range=3Dchinese but
                    it didn't work. I have to use interval
                    {0x00400-0x2FA1F} explicitly.<br>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>When you take a look into char-def.lua you can see names
          certain character ranges and =93range=3Dcyrillic=94</div>
        <div>used such a name.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>For a chinese font you need
          =93range=3D{cjkunifiedideographs,cjkunifiedideographsextensiona=
,=85}".</div>
        <div>Because the list with=A0names is very long you do this setup
          only once with the \definefontfamilypreset</div>
        <div>command, e.g.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>=A0
\definefontfamilypreset[chinese][range=3D{cjkunifiedideographs,cjkunified=
ideographsextensiona,=85}]</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>and load this setup when you set the font with
          \definefontfamilyfallback, e.g.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>=A0=A0\definefontfamilyfallback[&lt;typeface&gt;][&lt;style&=
gt;][&lt;font&gt;][preset=3Dchinese]</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>For the moment I added three presets =93chinese=94, =93japan=
ese=94
          and =93korean=94 but they need better</div>
        <div>names, e.g. =93range:chinese=94 because there could be also
          =93features:chinese=94 etc.</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    I get it now. I can put range and features of the fallback fonts in
    the preset.<br>
    <blockquote
      cite=3D"mid:7D24BFCF-3023-47A2-A243-582C49B7FA79@gmail.com"
      type=3D"cite">
      <div><br>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">
          <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div>
              <div class=3D"gmail_extra">
                <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                  <div>And how can I assign the boldfont, italicfont and
                    bolditalicfont? I'm currently using the Adobe Song
                    Std as the regular font but it didn't come with a
                    bold version or else, hence I might need this
                    feature.</div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
      </div>
      <div>The module provides keys to apply a certain font and feature
        for each alternative (upright, italic etc.)</div>
      <div>of a font, a complete list with all keys is shown in the
        table below.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>
        <div>-------------------------------------------------------</div=
>
        <div>| Alternative | Font =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| Feature =A0 =A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 |</div>
        <div>|-----------------------------------------------------|</div=
>
        <div>| tf =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| regularfont =A0 =A0 | regularfeatu=
res =A0 =A0 |</div>
        <div>| it =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| italicfont =A0 =A0 =A0| italicfeat=
ures =A0 =A0 =A0|</div>
        <div>| sl =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| slantedfont =A0 =A0 | slantedfeatu=
res =A0 =A0 |</div>
        <div>| bf =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| boldfont =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| boldfeat=
ures =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0|</div>
        <div>| bi =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| bolditalicfont =A0| bolditalicfeat=
ures =A0|</div>
        <div>| bs =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| boldslantedfont | boldslantedfeatu=
res |</div>
        <div>| sc =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0| smallcapsfont =A0 | smallcapsfeatu=
res =A0 |</div>
        <div>-------------------------------------------------------</div=
>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The feature-keys expect the name from the
          \definefontfeature command, when you don=92t</div>
        <div>specify a feature to a certain alternative the value from
          the =93features=94 key is used.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>When you want to set a certain font for a alternative there
          are different ways, I=92m going</div>
        <div>to show the different ways with a few examples where I
          change the font for italic.</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Thanks for the descriptions. I have made a small test and turns out
    the "regularfont" has to be assigned to something or the other
    "xxxfont"s won't have any effects.<br>
    <br>
    Here's my code:<br>
    =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D<br>
    \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [serif] [adobesongstd]<br>
    =A0 [range=3D{0x00400-0x2FA1F}%<br>
    =A0 ,regularfont=3Dname:adobesongstdlight%<br>
    =A0 ,italicfont=3Dname:adobefangsongstdregular%<br>
    =A0 ,boldfont=3Dname:adobeheitistdregular%<br>
    =A0 ,bolditalicfont=3Dname:adobekaitistdregular%<br>
    =A0 ,force=3Dyes%<br>
    =A0 ,features=3Dsong%<br>
    =A0 ]<br>
    =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D<br>
    and if I remove the "regularfont=3D..." line, the boldface Chinese
    characters will use the Adobe Song Std font as well. Same thing
    happened when I used the "preset=3Dxxx" option which I don't know if
    it is intended to behave like that, by the way.<br>
    <br>
    Oh, and off the topic, can I use "effect" to assign the fonts? Like
    if I have defined<br>
    =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D<br>
\defineeffect[mybold][alternative=3Dboth,rulethickness=3D\dimexpr\bodyfon=
tsize/10\relax]<br>
    =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D<br>
    I would like to use this effect to apply to my bold fonts, maybe:<br>
    =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D<br>
    \setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif] [boldfont=3Deffect:mybold]<br=
>
    =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D<br>
    I know this has nothing to do with this module. I just thought this
    might be interesting.<br>
    <blockquote
      cite=3D"mid:7D24BFCF-3023-47A2-A243-582C49B7FA79@gmail.com"
      type=3D"cite">
      <div><br>
        <div>1. Use the filename of a font. With the =93<a class=3D"moz-t=
xt-link-freetext" href=3D"file:=94">file:=94</a> prefix you
          can the tell the module</div>
        <div>to look for a file with the given name, when the file isn=92=
t
          found the font from</div>
        <div>the tf-alternative is used. The file-method is also used
          when you omit the prefix.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>
          <div>\setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif]
            [italicfont=3D<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"file=
:dejavuserifbold">file:dejavuserifbold</a>]</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>\starttext</div>
          <div>Regular and \it Italic</div>
          <div>\stoptext</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>2. Use a certain style. When you use the =93style: =94pref=
ix
            the module looks for a certain</div>
          <div>style of the requested font.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div>\setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif]
              [italicfont=3Dstyle:bolditalic]</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>\starttext</div>
            <div>Regular and \it Italic</div>
            <div>\stoptext</div>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>3. Search for a font with a certain name. When you use
            the =93name:=94 prefix the module</div>
          <div>looks for a font with the requested name. Names are
            internal values of a font which</div>
          <div>is sometimes the same as the filename.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div>\setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif]
              [italicfont=3Dname:dejavuserifbold]</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>\starttext</div>
            <div>Regular and \it Italic</div>
            <div>\stoptext</div>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>4. Use the spec information. When you use the =93spec:=94
            prefix you can request a font</div>
          <div>with a certain =93weight=94 (bold or normal), =93style=94 =
(italic
            or normal) and variant (smallcaps or normal).</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div>\setupfontfamily [serif] [DejaVu Serif]
              [italicfont=3Dspec:bold-italic]</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>\starttext</div>
            <div>Regular and \it Italic</div>
            <div>\stoptext</div>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>There is a possibility that I change the way to set font
            and features for alternatives</div>
          <div>in the feature to a way which is more compact and easier
            to parse in Lua.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Wolfgang</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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