From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/86235 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jaroslav Hajtmar Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:22:22 +0100 Message-ID: <52F80DAE.2020006@gyza.cz> References: <52F7D270.8040006@gyza.cz> <44F589C2-2032-4AB1-AFFB-ACE7676C10A0@gmail.com> Reply-To: hajtmar@gyza.cz, mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391988184 17743 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2014 23:23:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 23:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Feb 10 00:23:13 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCdiS-0004dF-JM for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C073D101E1; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:11 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Lk1xRBUSyrNx; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9201101E3; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A24101E3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id v08j989FTfLA for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (filter2-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.70]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F91101E1 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from h1.cmg2.smtp.forpsi.com (h1.cmg2.smtp.forpsi.com [81.2.195.188]) by filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id s19NMuAJ028047 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:23:04 +0100 Original-Received: from [192.168.20.100] ([88.103.230.14]) by cmg2.smtp.forpsi.com with bizsmtp id QPNu1n0030KHK6001PNvMj; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:22:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 In-Reply-To: <44F589C2-2032-4AB1-AFFB-ACE7676C10A0@gmail.com> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: ntg-context@ntg.nl, base:default, @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=81.2.195.188; country=CZ; latitude=49.7500; longitude=15.5000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=49.7500,15.5000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0QLonmUa0 - 4366d21b732d - 20140210 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.70 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:86235 Archived-At: Thanks Otared. Many thanks for your reaction. Even if I would not not make any other = statement than yours, so I'm clear at this time that the problem is = probably sitting in front of a keyboard and monitor :-). Perhaps the problem is that the Internet is relatively little of = mathematical demonstrations in ConTeXt, and if one is accustomed to some = practices in LaTeX or use different packages, it can be a little taken = aback ConTeXt. Now I also found that even though I dont switch fonts, so = I worked in an environment that me from switching fonts and therefore = some formulas look very bad. But it is my wrong. I've got to give more attention. Enthusiasm for my current project takes = patience and sound reasoning. I've to give a time to prevents my mistakes. When I am not careful, then I am doing many of dificult searchable errors. Thanks for ConTeXt and thanks to all in this list for your advice and help. Jaroslav Hajtmar Dne 9.2.2014 23:31, Otared Kavian napsal(a): > Hi, > > I do use ConTeXt for typesetting mathematics, and actually I began to use= ConTeXt several years ago for my work as a mathematician: up to now I have= n=92t encountered a single instance in which ConTeXt would not give the exp= ected result, and as a matter of fact the out-of-the-box capabilities and t= he quality of the typestting when using ConTeXt seems to me quite superior = to plain TeX or LaTeX. I use ConTeXt for writing exercise sheets, lecture n= otes, and drafts of papers and all the presentations for my talks. > It is true that when submitting my papers to journals, unfortunately I ha= ve to switch back to LaTeX, but even so I prefer using ConTeXt in all the p= reparation steps because it is more convenient to use, and also I can use t= hese notes directly for my lecture notes and presentations. > > Now coming to answer your questions: > >> I have a few questions: >> >> 0. Do you think that this is only a problem for beginners of ConText or = it is a general problem of ConTeXt? > All depends on how complex one's document is, and how deep one=92s knowle= dge of TeX and ConTeXt is. > >> 1. How many of ConTeXt users use this tool for typesetting of non-elemen= tary mathematics? > I cannot say anything about the overall number of users, but as I said ab= ove I use it for the kind of maths I am doing: some of it is really not ele= mentary=85 > >> 2. Are you satisfied with the results, which produces ConTeXt (thinking = in the field of mathematics rate)? > I am absolutely satisfied with the results. > >> 3. What things do you need to have in ConTeXt study that one could bet m= athematics at a reasonable level? > My knowledge of TeX and ConTeXt is rather elementary, but this does not p= revent me to use ConTeXt. Moreover in the rare situations in which I don=92= t know how to achieve a certain result, there a good group of gurus on the = mailing list to help solve my problem. > >> 4. Is ConTeXt able to substitute LaTeX to typesetting of math (e.g. in t= he future)? > For sure it is: the reason for which ConTeXt is seldom used among mathema= ticians (or other scientists) is the fact that journals have developped spe= cific macros for their layout and despite the fact that the quality and sho= rtcomings of LaTeX are well-known, publishers of these journals are more th= an reluctant to switch to a more modern macro package of TeX, such as ConTe= Xt. > >> 5. Can you think of any more questions that should be here? > Maybe one can imagine a script which would downgrade a file written in Co= nTeXt to a LaTeX file, once one accepts to lose the quality of the typesett= ing=85 > > Best regards: OK > > On 9 f=E9vr. 2014, at 20:09, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: > >> Hello ConTeXist. >> I am very sorry for this OFF TOPIC contribution. >> >> For writing of this text led me several hours of searching on internet. = I was looking for ways to typing of non-elementary math in ConTeXt >> >> Already a long time I use ConTeXt typesetting lot of different things an= d I am very satisfied. In the many things, of which I typed, was maths repr= esented only marginally and minimally. Now I need to type some mathematics = (at secondary school level) and I found that I came across borders of my kn= owledge of ConTeXt, or on possibilities of ConTeXt for typesetting of mathe= matics. >> I do not in any way call into question the ability of ConTeXt typesettin= g mathematics, although I think that who wants to type mathematics then use= LaTeX. >> I want find experience of users of ConTeXt for real using of ConTeXt for= typesetting of mathematics. I wonder how users use possible math modules (= exist anything?) to be usable results. >> >> I have a few questions: >> >> 0. Do you think that this is only a problem for beginners of ConText or = it is a general problem of ConTeXt? >> 1. How many of ConTeXt users use this tool for typesetting of non-elemen= tary mathematics? >> 2. Are you satisfied with the results, which produces ConTeXt (thinking = in the field of mathematics rate)? >> 3. What things do you need to have in ConTeXt study that one could bet m= athematics at a reasonable level? >> 4. Is ConTeXt able to substitute LaTeX to typesetting of math (e.g. in t= he future)? >> 5. Can you think of any more questions that should be here? >> >> >> I hope that my question will help other beginners who would like to typi= ng of mathematics use ConText - this unique and useful tool. >> >> Thanks for all the answers. >> >> Jaroslav Hajtmar >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________= ___________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry t= o the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-c= ontext >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ________________________________________________________________________= ___________ > ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________