From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/86241 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:27 +0100 Message-ID: <52F91307.4070205@wxs.nl> References: <52F7D270.8040006@gyza.cz> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392055050 8010 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2014 17:57:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:57:30 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Feb 10 18:57:38 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCv6u-0002qv-Js for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA1B101F2; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jhljtzC++X9c; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75442101E7; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53120101E7 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:33 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id g--ruv5TvYHX for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:32 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (filter2-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.70]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03425101E6 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:32 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id s1AHvVaO016094 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:31 +0100 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.103; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.103] (unverified [10.100.1.103]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 6.3c2) with ESMTP id 2317-1713362 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:57:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: ntg-context@ntg.nl, base:default, @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=15; city=Zwolle; latitude=52.5058; longitude=6.0858; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.5058,6.0858&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0QLoFVvbC - c7ce68a97305 - 20140210 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.70 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:86241 Archived-At: On 2/10/2014 9:24 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote: > Hi, > > I used ConTeXt (mkii) to write my PhD thesis in Mathematics in 2008. It > worked just fine. > > At the moment I write some exams and hand-outs using ConTeXt, but > research using LaTeX (since the journals do not really accept ConTeXt > and my collaborators dont know ConTeXt). > > It certainly works OK to write math in ConTeXt, but I have a feeling > that there are some things that are somewhat broken or not finetuned to > output what mathematicians expect. Look at the attached pdf files [1] > l.pdf (from LaTeX) and c.pdf (from latest standalone ConTeXt), with > source l.tex and c.tex for some examples. In mkiv we follow some alternative approaches compared to mkii (and probably other tex macro packages) and some aspects indeed might need tuning (or more configuration options) .. I try hard to get away from hackery solutions (for several reasons). > When it comes to math environments, I think that thanks to the > environments in http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf > we are OK. I > sometimes miss the multline(d) environment from LaTeX. > > Best regards, Mikael > > [1] > The attachments were too big, so I decided to put the pdf files on > http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/l.pdf > and > http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/c.pdf > > > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar > wrote: > > Hello ConTeXist. > I am very sorry for this OFF TOPIC contribution. > > For writing of this text led me several hours of searching on > internet. I was looking for ways to typing of non-elementary math in > ConTeXt > > Already a long time I use ConTeXt typesetting lot of different > things and I am very satisfied. In the many things, of which I > typed, was maths represented only marginally and minimally. Now I > need to type some mathematics (at secondary school level) and I > found that I came across borders of my knowledge of ConTeXt, or on > possibilities of ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics. > I do not in any way call into question the ability of ConTeXt > typesetting mathematics, although I think that who wants to type > mathematics then use LaTeX. > I want find experience of users of ConTeXt for real using of ConTeXt > for typesetting of mathematics. I wonder how users use possible math > modules (exist anything?) to be usable results. > > I have a few questions: > > 0. Do you think that this is only a problem for beginners of ConText > or it is a general problem of ConTeXt? > 1. How many of ConTeXt users use this tool for typesetting of > non-elementary mathematics? > 2. Are you satisfied with the results, which produces ConTeXt > (thinking in the field of mathematics rate)? > 3. What things do you need to have in ConTeXt study that one could > bet mathematics at a reasonable level? > 4. Is ConTeXt able to substitute LaTeX to typesetting of math (e.g. > in the future)? > 5. Can you think of any more questions that should be here? > > > I hope that my question will help other beginners who would like to > typing of mathematics use ConText - this unique and useful tool. > > Thanks for all the answers. > > Jaroslav Hajtmar > > > _______________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/__listinfo/ntg-context > > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/__projects/contextrev/ > > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > _______________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________