* Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines [not found] <017601cf6fb2$289810f0$79c832d0$@tosovsky@email.cz> @ 2014-05-14 23:09 ` Hans Hagen 2014-05-15 17:39 ` Jan Tosovsky ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-05-14 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > Dear All, > > I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their typographical > quality: > http://drifted.in/publishing/ > > From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this field to > date, so congratulation! > > If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please comment > or let me know. > > If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open to fix > it. Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite some characters in context. Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines 2014-05-14 23:09 ` [OT] Typographical quality of various engines Hans Hagen @ 2014-05-15 17:39 ` Jan Tosovsky [not found] ` <012301cf7064$8ec35440$ac49fcc0$@tosovsky@email.cz> [not found] ` <5374fbd1.c7240f0a.4a1f.4a02SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Jan Tosovsky @ 2014-05-15 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' On 2014-05-15 Hans Hagen wrote: > On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their > > typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ > > > > From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this > > field to date, so congratulation! > > > > If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please > > comment or let me know. > > > > If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open > > to fix it. > > Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset > > Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course > given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite > some characters in context. Good point, it should be clarified it is a default vector set, which can be further customized (extended). My info is based on this Wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion pointing to this source code: http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua By that subset I mean the table vectors['default'] > Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying > feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not > many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic > alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic). Yes, I am aware of this, but it is indeed not very obvious from the text. Thanks for your suggestions, Jan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines [not found] ` <012301cf7064$8ec35440$ac49fcc0$@tosovsky@email.cz> @ 2014-05-15 17:59 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-05-15 17:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 5/15/2014 7:39 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > On 2014-05-15 Hans Hagen wrote: >> On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their >>> typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ >>> >>> From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this >>> field to date, so congratulation! >>> >>> If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please >>> comment or let me know. >>> >>> If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open >>> to fix it. >> >> Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset >> >> Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course >> given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite >> some characters in context. > > Good point, it should be clarified it is a default vector set, which can be > further customized (extended). > My info is based on this Wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion > pointing to this source code: > http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua > > By that subset I mean the table vectors['default'] yes but we also initialize all similar shapes >> Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying >> feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not >> many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic >> alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic). > > Yes, I am aware of this, but it is indeed not very obvious from the text. > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > Jan > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines [not found] ` <5374fbd1.c7240f0a.4a1f.4a02SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> @ 2014-05-15 18:05 ` luigi scarso 2014-05-15 18:26 ` Jan Tosovsky [not found] ` <53750706.c5ac0e0a.5b87.ffffc005SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2014-05-15 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1765 bytes --] On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Jan Tosovsky <j.tosovsky@email.cz> wrote: > On 2014-05-15 Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their > > > typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ > > > > > > From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this > > > field to date, so congratulation! > > > > > > If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please > > > comment or let me know. > > > > > > If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open > > > to fix it. > > > > Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset > > > > Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course > > given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite > > some characters in context. > > Good point, it should be clarified it is a default vector set, which can be > further customized (extended). > My info is based on this Wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion > pointing to this source code: > http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua > > By that subset I mean the table vectors['default'] > > > > Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying > > feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not > > many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic > > alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic). > > Yes, I am aware of this, but it is indeed not very obvious from the text. > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > Jan > > Another point could be the "server" property... the swiglib project is an attempt to cover this side https://swiglib.foundry.supelec.fr/ -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2732 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines 2014-05-15 18:05 ` luigi scarso @ 2014-05-15 18:26 ` Jan Tosovsky [not found] ` <53750706.c5ac0e0a.5b87.ffffc005SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Jan Tosovsky @ 2014-05-15 18:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' On 2014-05-15 luigi scarso wrote: > On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > > > > I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for > > their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ > > Another point could be the "server" property... the swiglib project is > an attempt to cover this side > > https://swiglib.foundry.supelec.fr/ I am sad seeing lot of technical details without single sentence covering benefits for the end user... Jan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] Typographical quality of various engines [not found] ` <53750706.c5ac0e0a.5b87.ffffc005SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> @ 2014-05-15 18:38 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2014-05-15 18:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 787 bytes --] On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Jan Tosovsky <j.tosovsky@email.cz> wrote: > On 2014-05-15 luigi scarso wrote: > > On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: > > > > > > I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for > > > their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ > > > > Another point could be the "server" property... the swiglib project is > > an attempt to cover this side > > > > https://swiglib.foundry.supelec.fr/ > > I am sad seeing lot of technical details without single sentence covering > benefits for the end user... > > It depends on the "end user" term. It's the other side of digital typography: high speed of "low quality" jobs, where the core is the automatic workflow and the "end user" is often a "traditional programmer" . -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1540 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* [OT] Typographical quality of various engines @ 2014-05-14 20:21 Jan Tosovsky 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Jan Tosovsky @ 2014-05-14 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' Dear All, I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this field to date, so congratulation! If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please comment or let me know. If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open to fix it. Thanks, Jan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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