[NTG-context] month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[NTG-context] month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

Dear list,

I would like to get the current month in Roman numerals (just now, it
would be XII for December).

The best I get is:

  \currentdate[\cldcontext{converters['R']
   (tonumber(os.date("\letterpercent m", os.date(os.time()))))}]

This strikes me as too complex (even for someone who cannot code).

Is there now simpler way to write that?

Just in case it may be relevant, this is part of the full day reference.

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context schrieb am 06.12.2024 um 12:35:
> Dear list,
>
> I would like to get the current month in Roman numerals (just now, it
> would be XII for December).
>
> The best I get is:
>
>    \currentdate[\cldcontext{converters['R']
>     (tonumber(os.date("\letterpercent m", os.date(os.time()))))}]
>
> This strikes me as too complex (even for someone who cannot code).
>
> Is there now simpler way to write that?

The \date (and \currentdate) command supports number conversion for the 
day and year values but not the month.

\starttext
\currentdate[d:R,space,space,y:R]
\stoptext

The simplest method is to use \convertnumber in combination with 
\normalmonth etc. which holds the value for the current month etc.

\starttext
\convertnumber{R}{\normalday  }\textslash
\convertnumber{R}{\normalmonth}\textslash
\convertnumber{R}{\normalyear }
\stoptext

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 12/6/24 15:39, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> [...]
> The \date (and \currentdate) command supports number conversion for the
> day and year values but not the month.
>
> \starttext
> \currentdate[d:R,space,space,y:R]
> \stoptext

Many thanks for your fast reply, Wolfgang.

I didn’t even know that there were such short invocations for number
conversions in \currentdate.

> The simplest method is to use \convertnumber in combination with
> \normalmonth etc. which holds the value for the current month etc.
>
> \starttext
> \convertnumber{R}{\normalday  }\textslash
> \convertnumber{R}{\normalmonth}\textslash
> \convertnumber{R}{\normalyear }
> \stoptext

First time I see these commands. Good to know them.

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Mohammad Hossein Bateni]

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Any thoughts why the following doesn't work?

\currentdate[d:persiannumerals]

It just outputs the normal digits.

In contrast, these work:

\currentdate[d:abjadnumerals]
\convertnumber{persiannumerals}{\normalday}



On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 7:11 AM Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

> On 12/6/24 15:39, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> > [...]
> > The \date (and \currentdate) command supports number conversion for the
> > day and year values but not the month.
> >
> > \starttext
> > \currentdate[d:R,space,space,y:R]
> > \stoptext
>
> Many thanks for your fast reply, Wolfgang.
>
> I didn’t even know that there were such short invocations for number
> conversions in \currentdate.
>
> > The simplest method is to use \convertnumber in combination with
> > \normalmonth etc. which holds the value for the current month etc.
> >
> > \starttext
> > \convertnumber{R}{\normalday  }\textslash
> > \convertnumber{R}{\normalmonth}\textslash
> > \convertnumber{R}{\normalyear }
> > \stoptext
>
> First time I see these commands. Good to know them.
>
> Many thanks for your help,
>
> Pablo
>
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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 20.02.2025 um 19:53 schrieb Mohammad Hossein Bateni:
> Any thoughts why the following doesn't work?
> 
> \currentdate[d:persiannumerals]
> 
> It just outputs the normal digits.
> 
> In contrast, these work:
> 
> \currentdate[d:abjadnumerals]
> \convertnumber{persiannumerals}{\normalday}

persiannumerals aren't considered a conversion method for the underlying 
Lua mechanism while there exists a method for \convertnumber on the TeX 
side.

Both system are separate (to a certain degree) but the TeX side borrows 
the conversion vectors from the Lua mechanism.

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Mohammad Hossein Bateni]

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For Jalali dates and Persian numbering, I can get the following to work:

\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,d]}/\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,M]}/\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,y]}

but the following does not work and throws an error:

\persiandecimals{\currentdate[jalali:to,d]}

If I want to get the output for different date, option 1 below works and
option 2 does not.

---------
% option 1
\persiandecimals{\begingroup\setdate[m=5]\rawdate[jalali:to,y]\endgroup}
% option 2
{\begingroup\setdate[m=5]\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,y]}\endgroup}
----------

does \setdate expand to something non-empty?

note that with the above ideas, we cannot get "mm" with leading zeros to
work because
\persiandecimals drops the leading zero. the following ugly hack works if I
insist on using
\currentdate to format the output and I want Indic digits.

--------
\startluacode
  function persmap(s)
  local stream  = tostring(s)
  local mapping = languages.decimals.persian
  local gsub    = string.gsub
  return mapping and gsub(stream, ".", mapping) or stream
  end
\stopluacode

\def\persmap#1{\ctxlua{context(persmap("#1"))}}
\def\mycurrentdate[#1]{\persmap{\rawdate[#1]}}
\mycurrentdate[jalali:to,dd,/,mm,/,y]
--------

even with \mainlanguage[fa] and \language[fa] I don't get the month names
translated to persian labels. why?

------
\mainlanguage[fa]
\language[fa]
\starttext
\currentdate[month:jalali]
\stoptext
-----



On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 12:13 PM Wolfgang Schuster <
wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> Am 20.02.2025 um 19:53 schrieb Mohammad Hossein Bateni:
> > Any thoughts why the following doesn't work?
> >
> > \currentdate[d:persiannumerals]
> >
> > It just outputs the normal digits.
> >
> > In contrast, these work:
> >
> > \currentdate[d:abjadnumerals]
> > \convertnumber{persiannumerals}{\normalday}
>
> persiannumerals aren't considered a conversion method for the underlying
> Lua mechanism while there exists a method for \convertnumber on the TeX
> side.
>
> Both system are separate (to a certain degree) but the TeX side borrows
> the conversion vectors from the Lua mechanism.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Mohammad Hossein Bateni]

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the following outputs "farsi" instead of "fa". is this the reason the
translation of jalali month does not kick in?

------
\mainlanguage[fa]
\currentlanguage
------

strangely either of the following two lines changes the month name.

------
\setuplabeltext[en][february:jalali=test]
\setuplabeltext[fa][february:jalali=test]
\currentlanguage[month:jalali]
------

I'm confused. why isn't the data in lang-txt.lua used?
strangely, the following outputs the correct translation of second jalali
month in farsi regardless of the above \setuplabeltext commands:

----
\ctxlua{context(languages.data.labels.texts['february:jalali'].labels.fa)}
----

On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 6:30 AM Mohammad Hossein Bateni <bateni@gmail.com>
wrote:

> For Jalali dates and Persian numbering, I can get the following to work:
>
>
> \persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,d]}/\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,M]}/\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,y]}
>
> but the following does not work and throws an error:
>
> \persiandecimals{\currentdate[jalali:to,d]}
>
> If I want to get the output for different date, option 2 below works and
> option 1 does not.
>
> ---------
> % option 1
> \persiandecimals{\begingroup\setdate[m=5]\rawdate[jalali:to,y]\endgroup}
> % option 2
> {\begingroup\setdate[m=5]\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,y]}\endgroup}
> ----------
>
> does \setdate expand to something non-empty?
>
> note that with the above ideas, we cannot get "mm" with leading zeros to
> work because
> \persiandecimals drops the leading zero. the following ugly hack works if
> I insist on using
> \currentdate to format the output and I want Indic digits.
>
> --------
> \startluacode
>   function persmap(s)
>   local stream  = tostring(s)
>   local mapping = languages.decimals.persian
>   local gsub    = string.gsub
>   return mapping and gsub(stream, ".", mapping) or stream
>   end
> \stopluacode
>
> \def\persmap#1{\ctxlua{context(persmap("#1"))}}
> \def\mycurrentdate[#1]{\persmap{\rawdate[#1]}}
> \mycurrentdate[jalali:to,dd,/,mm,/,y]
> --------
>
> even with \mainlanguage[fa] and \language[fa] I don't get the month names
> translated to persian labels. why?
>
> ------
> \mainlanguage[fa]
> \language[fa]
> \starttext
> \currentdate[month:jalali]
> \stoptext
> -----
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 12:13 PM Wolfgang Schuster <
> wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Am 20.02.2025 um 19:53 schrieb Mohammad Hossein Bateni:
>> > Any thoughts why the following doesn't work?
>> >
>> > \currentdate[d:persiannumerals]
>> >
>> > It just outputs the normal digits.
>> >
>> > In contrast, these work:
>> >
>> > \currentdate[d:abjadnumerals]
>> > \convertnumber{persiannumerals}{\normalday}
>>
>> persiannumerals aren't considered a conversion method for the underlying
>> Lua mechanism while there exists a method for \convertnumber on the TeX
>> side.
>>
>> Both system are separate (to a certain degree) but the TeX side borrows
>> the conversion vectors from the Lua mechanism.
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>>
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>> the Wiki!
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>> (mirror)
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>

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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Mohammad Hossein Bateni]

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BTW why doesn't \setuplabeltext exist in the mtx-server-ctx-help? It does
exist in setup-en.pdf and shows that it is an instance of \setupLABELtext.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 5:28 PM Mohammad Hossein Bateni <bateni@gmail.com>
wrote:

> the following outputs "farsi" instead of "fa". is this the reason the
> translation of jalali month does not kick in?
>
> ------
> \mainlanguage[fa]
> \currentlanguage
> ------
>
> strangely either of the following two lines changes the month name.
>
> ------
> \setuplabeltext[en][february:jalali=test]
> \setuplabeltext[fa][february:jalali=test]
> \currentlanguage[month:jalali]
> ------
>
> I'm confused. why isn't the data in lang-txt.lua used?
> strangely, the following outputs the correct translation of second jalali
> month in farsi regardless of the above \setuplabeltext commands:
>
> ----
> \ctxlua{context(languages.data.labels.texts['february:jalali'].labels.fa)}
> ----
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 6:30 AM Mohammad Hossein Bateni <bateni@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> For Jalali dates and Persian numbering, I can get the following to work:
>>
>>
>> \persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,d]}/\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,M]}/\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,y]}
>>
>> but the following does not work and throws an error:
>>
>> \persiandecimals{\currentdate[jalali:to,d]}
>>
>> If I want to get the output for different date, option 2 below works and
>> option 1 does not.
>>
>> ---------
>> % option 1
>> \persiandecimals{\begingroup\setdate[m=5]\rawdate[jalali:to,y]\endgroup}
>> % option 2
>> {\begingroup\setdate[m=5]\persiandecimals{\rawdate[jalali:to,y]}\endgroup}
>> ----------
>>
>> does \setdate expand to something non-empty?
>>
>> note that with the above ideas, we cannot get "mm" with leading zeros to
>> work because
>> \persiandecimals drops the leading zero. the following ugly hack works if
>> I insist on using
>> \currentdate to format the output and I want Indic digits.
>>
>> --------
>> \startluacode
>>   function persmap(s)
>>   local stream  = tostring(s)
>>   local mapping = languages.decimals.persian
>>   local gsub    = string.gsub
>>   return mapping and gsub(stream, ".", mapping) or stream
>>   end
>> \stopluacode
>>
>> \def\persmap#1{\ctxlua{context(persmap("#1"))}}
>> \def\mycurrentdate[#1]{\persmap{\rawdate[#1]}}
>> \mycurrentdate[jalali:to,dd,/,mm,/,y]
>> --------
>>
>> even with \mainlanguage[fa] and \language[fa] I don't get the month names
>> translated to persian labels. why?
>>
>> ------
>> \mainlanguage[fa]
>> \language[fa]
>> \starttext
>> \currentdate[month:jalali]
>> \stoptext
>> -----
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 12:13 PM Wolfgang Schuster <
>> wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 20.02.2025 um 19:53 schrieb Mohammad Hossein Bateni:
>>> > Any thoughts why the following doesn't work?
>>> >
>>> > \currentdate[d:persiannumerals]
>>> >
>>> > It just outputs the normal digits.
>>> >
>>> > In contrast, these work:
>>> >
>>> > \currentdate[d:abjadnumerals]
>>> > \convertnumber{persiannumerals}{\normalday}
>>>
>>> persiannumerals aren't considered a conversion method for the underlying
>>> Lua mechanism while there exists a method for \convertnumber on the TeX
>>> side.
>>>
>>> Both system are separate (to a certain degree) but the TeX side borrows
>>> the conversion vectors from the Lua mechanism.
>>>
>>> Wolfgang
>>>
>>>
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>>> to the Wiki!
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>>>
>>

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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 2/28/2025 11:30 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni wrote:
> BTW why doesn't \setuplabeltext exist in the mtx-server-ctx-help? It 
> does exist in setup-en.pdf and shows that it is an instance of 
> \setupLABELtext.

because it's a 'defined command' ... i could probably add it but it's 
not like there has been much demand for it

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 2/28/2025 11:28 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni wrote:
> the following outputs "farsi" instead of "fa". is this the reason the 
> translation of jalali month does not kick in?

We have these short and long names, and originally only had short ones, 
for efficiency reasons (like memory limitations in tex engines). At some 
point some showt nakes also started clashing, like \it : italian and 
italic.

One can best use the long ones, while te shirt ones are used e.g. in lua 
data tables (easier). Teh fact that ther eis \fa is sort of 'good luck' 
because if we'd add a language today we don't define the short ones as 
command any longer (we keep the existing ones for compatibility).

If you want to add a language (parent of child) you need to check that 
with Tomas Hala first because it has to into his label managagement 
project (with international students).

When conversions are added, Wolfgang needs to agree with it. When okay 
it then can also be added to the interface (setups) specification.

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: month form \currentdate in Roman numerals

[Mohammad Hossein Bateni]

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On Sun, Mar 2, 2025, 8:00 AM Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
wrote:

> On 2/28/2025 11:28 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni wrote:
> > the following outputs "farsi" instead of "fa". is this the reason the
> > translation of jalali month does not kick in?
>
> We have these short and long names, and originally only had short ones,
> for efficiency reasons (like memory limitations in tex engines). At some
> point some showt nakes also started clashing, like \it : italian and
> italic.
>
> One can best use the long ones, while te shirt ones are used e.g. in lua
> data tables (easier). Teh fact that ther eis \fa is sort of 'good luck'
> because if we'd add a language today we don't define the short ones as
> command any longer (we keep the existing ones for compatibility).
>

This make sense.
My point is not why the language shows up as farsi.
The problem is that the labels in the lua table are for 'fa'.
So farsi or fa language doesn't pick them up.
See my example in previous emails (even for figure captions).

What's the solution?
To add a key to install language to say what short form should be used on
lua side?
Or to rewrite the lua table to use farsi as key not fa?

>
> If you want to add a language (parent of child) you need to check that
> with Tomas Hala first because it has to into his label managagement
> project (with international students).
>
> When conversions are added, Wolfgang needs to agree with it. When okay
> it then can also be added to the interface (setups) specification.
>
> Hans
>
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