* Problem with \framed align and orientation on landscape pages
@ 2014-05-24 2:11 Rik Kabel
2014-05-24 10:26 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2014-05-24 2:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
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For the /\framed/ command, any value for the key /align /other than a
null value pushes the frame beyond the bottom margin on a landscape page
for many values of /orientation/. The following MWE demonstrates this:
\setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
\starttext
\framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
\stoptext
It also seems that the default value of /align/// is not /no/ as the
wiki suggests, since there is a very different result when no align key
is provided and when it is provided as above with /no/, if by a default
value one means that, when a given key is not explicitly provided,
processing will occur as if it had been provided with that particular value.
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Rik Kabel
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* Re: Problem with \framed align and orientation on landscape pages
2014-05-24 2:11 Problem with \framed align and orientation on landscape pages Rik Kabel
@ 2014-05-24 10:26 ` Hans Hagen
2014-05-24 17:12 ` Rik Kabel
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-05-24 10:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 5/24/2014 4:11 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> For the /\framed/ command, any value for the key /align /other than a
> null value pushes the frame beyond the bottom margin on a landscape page
> for many values of /orientation/. The following MWE demonstrates this:
>
> \setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
> \starttext
> \framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
> \stoptext
>
> It also seems that the default value of /align/// is not /no/ as the
> wiki suggests, since there is a very different result when no align key
> is provided and when it is provided as above with /no/, if by a default
> value one means that, when a given key is not explicitly provided,
> processing will occur as if it had been provided with that particular
> value.
\setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
\starttext
\framed[orientation=90,width=\textheight,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
\stoptext
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* Re: Problem with \framed align and orientation on landscape pages
2014-05-24 10:26 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2014-05-24 17:12 ` Rik Kabel
2014-05-25 4:12 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2014-05-24 17:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 2014-05-24 06:26, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 5/24/2014 4:11 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>> For the /\framed/ command, any value for the key /align /other than a
>> null value pushes the frame beyond the bottom margin on a landscape page
>> for many values of /orientation/. The following MWE demonstrates this:
>>
>> \setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
>> \starttext
>> \framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
>> \stoptext
>>
>> It also seems that the default value of /align/// is not /no/ as the
>> wiki suggests, since there is a very different result when no align key
>> is provided and when it is provided as above with /no/, if by a default
>> value one means that, when a given key is not explicitly provided,
>> processing will occur as if it had been provided with that particular
>> value.
>
> \setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
>
> \starttext
>
> \framed[orientation=90,width=\textheight,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
>
> \stoptext
>
Thank you, Hans. That pointed me in the right direction, although it is
not the solution in my case.
The problem was with align=no. It does not, as I surmised, lead to the
same result as having no align key at all. The following shows the
differences clearly. What I am after is the fifth page. I would think
that the wiki is incorrect in stating that the default value for the
align key is no, but I do not know what is the proper description of the
default.
\setuppapersize [A5,landscape][A4]
\definebodyfontenvironment [default][d=6]
\showframe
\starttext
\framed[align=no]{\tfd 1}
\page
\framed[]{\tfd 2}
\page
\framed[orientation=90,align=no,width=\textheight]{\tfd 3}
\page
\framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\tfd 4}
\page
\framed[orientation=90]{\tfd 5}
\stoptext
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* Re: Problem with \framed align and orientation on landscape pages
2014-05-24 17:12 ` Rik Kabel
@ 2014-05-25 4:12 ` Aditya Mahajan
2014-05-25 17:06 ` Rik Kabel
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2014-05-25 4:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> On May 24, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-05-24 06:26, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> On 5/24/2014 4:11 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>>> For the /\framed/ command, any value for the key /align /other than a
>>> null value pushes the frame beyond the bottom margin on a landscape page
>>> for many values of /orientation/. The following MWE demonstrates this:
>>>
>>> \setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
>>> \starttext
>>> \framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> It also seems that the default value of /align/// is not /no/ as the
>>> wiki suggests, since there is a very different result when no align key
>>> is provided and when it is provided as above with /no/, if by a default
>>> value one means that, when a given key is not explicitly provided,
>>> processing will occur as if it had been provided with that particular
>>> value.
>>
>> \setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \framed[orientation=90,width=\textheight,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
>> \stoptext
> Thank you, Hans. That pointed me in the right direction, although it is not the solution in my case.
>
> The problem was with align=no. It does not, as I surmised, lead to the same result as having no align key at all. The following shows the differences clearly. What I am after is the fifth page. I would think that the wiki is incorrect in stating that the default value for the align key is no, but I do not know what is the proper description of the default.
> \setuppapersize [A5,landscape][A4]
> \definebodyfontenvironment [default][d=6]
> \showframe
> \starttext
> \framed[align=no]{\tfd 1}
> \page
> \framed[]{\tfd 2}
> \page
> \framed[orientation=90,align=no,width=\textheight]{\tfd 3}
> \page
> \framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\tfd 4}
> \page
> \framed[orientation=90]{\tfd 5}
> \stoptext
Without any align key, \framed is a \hbox; with align it is a \vbox. That might explain the difference that you see. Try adding \dontleavehmode in front of \framed
Aditya
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* Re: Problem with \framed align and orientation on landscape pages
2014-05-25 4:12 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2014-05-25 17:06 ` Rik Kabel
2014-05-25 20:40 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2014-05-25 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
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On 2014-05-25 00:12, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
>
> On May 24, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com
> <mailto:context@rik.users.panix.com>> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-05-24 06:26, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> On 5/24/2014 4:11 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>>>> For the /\framed/ command, any value for the key /align /other than a
>>>> null value pushes the frame beyond the bottom margin on a landscape
>>>> page
>>>> for many values of /orientation/. The following MWE demonstrates this:
>>>>
>>>> \setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
>>>> \starttext
>>>> \framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
>>>> \stoptext
>>>>
>>>> It also seems that the default value of /align/// is not /no/ as the
>>>> wiki suggests, since there is a very different result when no align
>>>> key
>>>> is provided and when it is provided as above with /no/, if by a
>>>> default
>>>> value one means that, when a given key is not explicitly provided,
>>>> processing will occur as if it had been provided with that particular
>>>> value.
>>>
>>> \setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>>
>>> \framed[orientation=90,width=\textheight,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
>>>
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>> Thank you, Hans. That pointed me in the right direction, although it
>> is not the solution in my case.
>>
>> The problem was with align=no. It does not, as I surmised, lead to
>> the same result as having no align key at all. The following shows
>> the differences clearly. What I am after is the fifth page. I would
>> think that the wiki is incorrect in stating that the default value
>> for the align key is no, but I do not know what is the proper
>> description of the default.
>>
>> \setuppapersize [A5,landscape][A4]
>> \definebodyfontenvironment [default][d=6]
>> \showframe
>> \starttext
>> \framed[align=no]{\tfd 1}
>> \page
>> \framed[]{\tfd 2}
>> \page
>> \framed[orientation=90,align=no,width=\textheight]{\tfd 3}
>> \page
>> \framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\tfd 4}
>> \page
>> \framed[orientation=90]{\tfd 5}
>> \stoptext
>>
>
>
> Without any align key, \framed is a \hbox; with align it is a \vbox.
> That might explain the difference that you see. Try adding
> \dontleavehmode in front of \framed
>
> Aditya
Alas, Aditya, \dontleavehmode does not appear to make a difference.
I think that we might expect frames 1 and 4 above to produce similar
results, as do frames 2 and 5. They do not, and I am trying to
understand why that is.
The fact that it is landscape just exacerbates the problem, pushing some
of the text off the page. Remove that and the differences are still
there; the text is still on the page although not where I expect it.
Hans's resetting of the width does make the landscape result the same as
the portrait result, with the frame pushed just to the lower edge of the
text area, but it does not address the different treatment with and
without align.
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* Re: Problem with \framed align and orientation on landscape pages
2014-05-25 17:06 ` Rik Kabel
@ 2014-05-25 20:40 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-05-25 20:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 5/25/2014 7:06 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> On 2014-05-25 00:12, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com
>> <mailto:context@rik.users.panix.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-05-24 06:26, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>> On 5/24/2014 4:11 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>>>>> For the /\framed/ command, any value for the key /align /other than a
>>>>> null value pushes the frame beyond the bottom margin on a landscape
>>>>> page
>>>>> for many values of /orientation/. The following MWE demonstrates this:
>>>>>
>>>>> \setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
>>>>> \starttext
>>>>> \framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
>>>>> \stoptext
>>>>>
>>>>> It also seems that the default value of /align/// is not /no/ as the
>>>>> wiki suggests, since there is a very different result when no align
>>>>> key
>>>>> is provided and when it is provided as above with /no/, if by a
>>>>> default
>>>>> value one means that, when a given key is not explicitly provided,
>>>>> processing will occur as if it had been provided with that particular
>>>>> value.
>>>>
>>>> \setuppapersize [A4,landscape]
>>>>
>>>> \starttext
>>>>
>>>> \framed[orientation=90,width=\textheight,align=no]{\externalfigure[dummy]}
>>>>
>>>> \stoptext
>>>>
>>> Thank you, Hans. That pointed me in the right direction, although it
>>> is not the solution in my case.
>>>
>>> The problem was with align=no. It does not, as I surmised, lead to
>>> the same result as having no align key at all. The following shows
>>> the differences clearly. What I am after is the fifth page. I would
>>> think that the wiki is incorrect in stating that the default value
>>> for the align key is no, but I do not know what is the proper
>>> description of the default.
>>>
>>> \setuppapersize [A5,landscape][A4]
>>> \definebodyfontenvironment [default][d=6]
>>> \showframe
>>> \starttext
>>> \framed[align=no]{\tfd 1}
>>> \page
>>> \framed[]{\tfd 2}
>>> \page
>>> \framed[orientation=90,align=no,width=\textheight]{\tfd 3}
>>> \page
>>> \framed[orientation=90,align=no]{\tfd 4}
>>> \page
>>> \framed[orientation=90]{\tfd 5}
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>
>>
>> Without any align key, \framed is a \hbox; with align it is a \vbox.
>> That might explain the difference that you see. Try adding
>> \dontleavehmode in front of \framed
>>
>> Aditya
>
> Alas, Aditya, \dontleavehmode does not appear to make a difference.
>
> I think that we might expect frames 1 and 4 above to produce similar
> results, as do frames 2 and 5. They do not, and I am trying to
> understand why that is.
>
> The fact that it is landscape just exacerbates the problem, pushing some
> of the text off the page. Remove that and the differences are still
> there; the text is still on the page although not where I expect it.
> Hans's resetting of the width does make the landscape result the same as
> the portrait result, with the frame pushed just to the lower edge of the
> text area, but it does not address the different treatment with and
> without align.
it's a different issue
one of the 'features' of framed is that (in mkii as well as mkiv) it can
determine the minimum width of a paragraph and orientation doesn't work
well with that
in the source you will find a comment:
\pack_framed_stop_orientation % hm, wrong place ! should rotate the
result (after reshape)
if you move that line to after
\edef\p_framed_empty{\framedparameter\c!empty}%
\ifx\p_framed_empty\v!yes
\pack_framed_fake_box
\fi
\pack_framed_stop_orientation % here
you get what you expected ... but ... such a change can only happen when
we're sure it work out okay always
Hans
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