* Character and word spacing
@ 2014-05-29 18:15 Rik Kabel
2014-05-29 23:29 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2014-05-29 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I am setting some text from Geoffrey Dowding's /Finer Points in the
Spacing and Arrangement of Type/. I am trying to set it using his
recommendations. For those not familiar with his book, the key point is
that he promotes extremely tight spacing to achieve a uniform density
across the page in the belief that this leads to a pleasing presentation
and improved readability.
Among his recommendations is that an opening single quote together with
the space preceding it should take up no more space than a normal word
space, and similarly following a closing single quote; that the space
after some punctuation be minimized (some of his commas appear to have
perhaps just a hairspace, following them); that the space between
punctuation and letters be adjusted according to the shape of the
letter; and that 'and' be replaced by '&' as necessary to improve word
spacing. While this last is probably beyond the scope of ConTeXt, I am
hoping that the first few might be managed through
\definecharacterspacing, \setupcharacterspacing, and \setcharacterspacing.
Alas, I have found no documentation on this set of commands, and what I
see in the source is opaque.
If you have pointers to the details of these commands, or other
suggestions for such typographic exercises, please let me know.
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Rik Kabel
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* Re: Character and word spacing
2014-05-29 18:15 Character and word spacing Rik Kabel
@ 2014-05-29 23:29 ` Hans Hagen
2014-05-31 14:14 ` Rik Kabel
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-05-29 23:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 5/29/2014 8:15 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> I am setting some text from Geoffrey Dowding's /Finer Points in the
> Spacing and Arrangement of Type/. I am trying to set it using his
> recommendations. For those not familiar with his book, the key point is
> that he promotes extremely tight spacing to achieve a uniform density
> across the page in the belief that this leads to a pleasing presentation
> and improved readability.
>
> Among his recommendations is that an opening single quote together with
> the space preceding it should take up no more space than a normal word
> space, and similarly following a closing single quote; that the space
> after some punctuation be minimized (some of his commas appear to have
> perhaps just a hairspace, following them); that the space between
> punctuation and letters be adjusted according to the shape of the
> letter; and that 'and' be replaced by '&' as necessary to improve word
> spacing. While this last is probably beyond the scope of ConTeXt, I am
> hoping that the first few might be managed through
> \definecharacterspacing, \setupcharacterspacing, and \setcharacterspacing.
>
> Alas, I have found no documentation on this set of commands, and what I
> see in the source is opaque.
>
> If you have pointers to the details of these commands, or other
> suggestions for such typographic exercises, please let me know.
you can mess with sfcodes:
\starttext
\input tufte
\sfcode`\.100 \sfcode`\,100
\sfcode`\?100 \sfcode`\!100
\sfcode`\:100 \sfcode`\;100
\input tufte
\dostepwiserecurse{`a}{`z}{1}{\sfcode#1=100\relax}
\input tufte
\dostepwiserecurse{"0}{"FFFF}{1}{\sfcode#1=100\relax}
\input tufte
\stoptext
I'm pretty sure I would not read books typeset that way.
replacing and by & can be done too but that would look even worse (for
consistency one should then replace 'or' by | and even more can be saved
by going sms: "wandering" becomes "w&ndering", and "according" becomes
"acc|rding" plus the usual messing with digits
probably, omitting all vowels would work out too for reader who like
that compact typesetting
Hans
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* Re: Character and word spacing
2014-05-29 23:29 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2014-05-31 14:14 ` Rik Kabel
2014-05-31 23:17 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2014-05-31 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
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On 2014-05-29 19:29, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 5/29/2014 8:15 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>> I am setting some text from Geoffrey Dowding's /Finer Points in the
>> Spacing and Arrangement of Type/. I am trying to set it using his
>> recommendations. For those not familiar with his book, the key point is
>> that he promotes extremely tight spacing to achieve a uniform density
>> across the page in the belief that this leads to a pleasing presentation
>> and improved readability.
>>
>> Among his recommendations is that an opening single quote together with
>> the space preceding it should take up no more space than a normal word
>> space, and similarly following a closing single quote; that the space
>> after some punctuation be minimized (some of his commas appear to have
>> perhaps just a hairspace, following them); that the space between
>> punctuation and letters be adjusted according to the shape of the
>> letter; and that 'and' be replaced by '&' as necessary to improve word
>> spacing. While this last is probably beyond the scope of ConTeXt, I am
>> hoping that the first few might be managed through
>> \definecharacterspacing, \setupcharacterspacing, and
>> \setcharacterspacing.
>>
>> Alas, I have found no documentation on this set of commands, and what I
>> see in the source is opaque.
>>
>> If you have pointers to the details of these commands, or other
>> suggestions for such typographic exercises, please let me know.
>
> you can mess with sfcodes:
>
> \starttext
>
> \input tufte
>
> \sfcode`\.100 \sfcode`\,100
> \sfcode`\?100 \sfcode`\!100
> \sfcode`\:100 \sfcode`\;100
>
> \input tufte
>
> \dostepwiserecurse{`a}{`z}{1}{\sfcode#1=100\relax}
>
> \input tufte
>
> \dostepwiserecurse{"0}{"FFFF}{1}{\sfcode#1=100\relax}
>
> \input tufte
>
> \stoptext
>
> I'm pretty sure I would not read books typeset that way.
>
> replacing and by & can be done too but that would look even worse (for
> consistency one should then replace 'or' by | and even more can be
> saved by going sms: "wandering" becomes "w&ndering", and "according"
> becomes "acc|rding" plus the usual messing with digits
>
> probably, omitting all vowels would work out too for reader who like
> that compact typesetting
>
> Hans
>
Hans,
I think you are a bit too quick to judge from my description (and that
is the fault of my description).
Below is a bit I scanned from page 51 of the 1966 3rd edition where you
can see the '&' substitution and general tightness:
I have put the full scan of pages 50 and 51 at
http://www.panix.com/~rik/Dowding_50-51.pdf
<http://www.panix.com/%7Erik/Dowding_50-51.pdf> so that you can see the
overall effect more clearly. I also put up pages 28 and 29
(http://www.panix.com/~rik/Dowding_28-29.pdf
<http://www.panix.com/%7Erik/Dowding_28-29.pdf>), where he discusses
fitting quotation marks and other punctuation around particular shapes.
Dowding represents the fine, high-quality handset press aesthetic of the
early- and mid-20th century, but he was also concerned with job-work and
high-volume publishing. He comes from the same tradition as Frederic
Goudy, Eric Gill, Stanley Morison, D.B. Updike, and Bruce Rogers. They
celebrated the art of book typography as much as the mechanics. Dowding
was not quite the romantic that the others (Gill in particular) were,
and saw the transition to automated typesetting as a challenge to the
art largely because of the change in economics (it is disruptive and
relatively expensive to rework a line of type once cast). I have no
doubt that he would have welcomed the renewed flexibility that DEK
provided, and you continue to provide, through newer tools than the
crude early automation that he faced. (And yes, I do understand some of
the economics of the printshop. I worked for a short time while in
college in a hot-type shop, a weekly newspaper, hand-setting display
type for a Ludlow caster and making up pages on the stone.)
My issue with Dowding (and with Gill) is that they suggest that the
compositor has an obligation to change the author's text, without
consultation and agreement, in order to meet his concept of better page
makeup. Dowding's sensitivity to the appearance of the page, on the
other hand, is sadly missing from much of book publishing today.
Gross manipulation of the space factors is probably too crude to
accomplish much in implementing the style Dowding promotes, although the
tightness in the second tufte from your example (modifying the
punctuation) may be a starting point.
With XeTeX, one can use \interchartoks to handle general
(non-font-specific) kerning between punctuation and certain letter
shapes (sloped left or right, ascender, descender, ...) beyond what any
particular font's kerning tables provide. I see nothing in MKIV that
provides this, and thought that perhaps \definecharacterspacing might
fill the role. Hence the original question in this thread.
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* Re: Character and word spacing
2014-05-31 14:14 ` Rik Kabel
@ 2014-05-31 23:17 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-05-31 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 5/31/2014 4:14 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> My issue with Dowding (and with Gill) is that they suggest that the compositor
> has an obligation to change the author's text, without consultation and
> agreement, in order to meet his concept of better page makeup. Dowding's
> sensitivity to the appearance of the page, on the other hand, is sadly missing
> from much of book publishing today.
Long ago I have been thinking of improving some \oneof {bad}
{suboptimal} paragraphs by applying 'alternative' words, i.e. one could
\optional {for instance} write like this.
> Gross manipulation of the space factors is probably too crude to accomplish much
> in implementing the style Dowding promotes, although the tightness in the second
> tufte from your example (modifying the punctuation) may be a starting point.
>
> With XeTeX, one can use \interchartoks to handle general (non-font-specific)
> kerning between punctuation and certain letter shapes (sloped left or right,
> ascender, descender, ...) beyond what any particular font's kerning tables
> provide. I see nothing in MKIV that provides this, and thought that perhaps
> \definecharacterspacing might fill the role. Hence the original question in this
> thread.
you can play with (subtle) expansion (hz) and specific stretch vectors
.. imo kerning other than what the font designer has in mind is normally
a bad idea; another option is to use a font with different glyphs for
the same character but I don't know of such fonts
Hans
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