From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/87656 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: sections Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:51:21 +0200 Message-ID: <538B13B9.1030700@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401623512 11794 80.91.229.3 (1 Jun 2014 11:51:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 11:51:52 +0000 (UTC) To: Pablo Rodriguez , mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Jun 01 13:51:45 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wr4Ii-0006dl-Sv for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:51:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784C6101EC for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:51:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id m9-On46zu1CB for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:51:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2ABE101F6 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:51:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6B9101E3 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:51:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ZAgn1eGMiGly for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:51:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-til.mf.surf.net (filter3-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.219]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E679A101E2 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:51:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter3-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id s51BpNU7004171 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:51:24 +0200 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.103; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.103] (unverified [10.100.1.103]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 6.5a2) with ESMTP id 4633-1713362 for multiple; Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:51:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: ntg-context@ntg.nl, base:default, @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=Provincie Overijssel; city=Zwolle; latitude=52.5058; longitude=6.0858; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.5058,6.0858&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 06M8XPoQP - 60ed5d068453 - 20140601 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.219 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:87656 Archived-At: Hi Pablo, The section breaks are a bit of a headache. In the old mechanism (also mkii) we used penalties between different section levels (different values so that there is some hierarchy). In mkiv we have a weighted penalty/glue mechanism which has advantages but can also create side effects. The method of a few weeks ago coul deal with \section followed by 100 \subsections i.e. no text between this. In a strict mechanism you end up with one long page fur to all the penalties. So, there was some precaution for this. However that didn't work well with content following sections that prefers breaks (read: section head followed by e.g. itemize or tabulate). So, the newer mechanism tries to analyze the page stream which (currently) is somewhat tricky. That's why we need to iterate to an acceptable solution. Some of these mkiv mechanisms are already a bit old and could be done better using some newer luatex trickery (but i need tome to do that). It would be nice to have a large test case for this (sort of hard to make one as some trial and error is involved). As you already have some, best collect them for future reference. A new beta ... Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________