* Location of primes and strange latin modern font
@ 2017-05-14 22:28 Akira Kakuto
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From: Akira Kakuto @ 2017-05-14 22:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Will the primes also get fixed? In the latest standalone (I downloaded
> it minutes ago), I get the attached result running the same test file.
It seems that the primes are not yet fixed in
mtx-context | current version: 2017.05.14 19:09
It requires, for example:
\starttext
Compare ${u_p}\hskip-.5em''$ and $u''_{\hskip-.63em p}$ with $u''$
\stoptext
Best,
Akira
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* Re: Location of primes and strange latin modern font
2017-05-13 17:05 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2017-05-13 17:26 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist
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From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2017-05-13 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> On 5/11/2017 8:35 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:
>>>
>>> 2) The math font looks strange (or should I say different) in the
>>> ConTeXt example. (Wrong size, scaled?)
>>
>>
>> Yeah, this seems to be a bug in the current version. I have observed that,
>> too. Hans did recently add (due to my suggestion, so thanks again, Hans,
>> even if this seems to have caused some trouble) support for optical sizes in
>> fallbacks and I suppose the bug has been introduced there. So at present the
>> bug occurs that ConTeXt uses the smallest optical size for every symbol
>> (independent of the size). This results in strange looking mathematics.
>> Maybe you can fix this, Hans?
>
>
> Yes, in that process i swapped text and scriptscipt sizes but it has been
> fixed.
>
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Hans, thanks for the fix with the sizes in math.
Will the primes also get fixed? In the latest standalone (I downloaded
it minutes ago), I get the attached result running the same test file.
/Mikael
PS Sorry if I'm too quick, if you are in the progress of solving this.
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* Re: Location of primes and strange latin modern font
2017-05-11 18:35 ` Mathias Schickel
2017-05-12 12:11 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist
@ 2017-05-13 17:05 ` Hans Hagen
2017-05-13 17:26 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-05-13 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mathias Schickel, mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 5/11/2017 8:35 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:
>> 2) The math font looks strange (or should I say different) in the
>> ConTeXt example. (Wrong size, scaled?)
>
> Yeah, this seems to be a bug in the current version. I have observed that, too. Hans did recently add (due to my suggestion, so thanks again, Hans, even if this seems to have caused some trouble) support for optical sizes in fallbacks and I suppose the bug has been introduced there. So at present the bug occurs that ConTeXt uses the smallest optical size for every symbol (independent of the size). This results in strange looking mathematics. Maybe you can fix this, Hans?
Yes, in that process i swapped text and scriptscipt sizes but it has
been fixed.
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* Re: Location of primes and strange latin modern font
2017-05-11 18:35 ` Mathias Schickel
@ 2017-05-12 12:11 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist
2017-05-13 17:05 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2017-05-12 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Mathias Schickel
<msch@fa.uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
>> 2) The math font looks strange (or should I say different) in the
>> ConTeXt example. (Wrong size, scaled?)
>
> Yeah, this seems to be a bug in the current version. I have observed that, too. Hans did recently add (due to my suggestion, so thanks again, Hans, even if this seems to have caused some trouble) support for optical sizes in fallbacks and I suppose the bug has been introduced there. So at present the bug occurs that ConTeXt uses the smallest optical size for every symbol (independent of the size). This results in strange looking mathematics. Maybe you can fix this, Hans?
>
> -Mathias
>
>
>> Am 11.05.2017 um 18:51 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Dear list,
>>
>> I posted this question on stack exchange
>> (https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/369226/52406), and got the suggestion
>> that it might be a bug, and therefore I post it here as well:
>>
>> I have a problem with typesetting derivatives (and latin modern) in
>> ConTeXt in latest standalone.
>>
>> Minimal example:
>>
>> \starttext
>> Compare $u_p''$ and $u''_p$ with $u''$
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Please see the attached image for the output (here I have also
>> included the corresponding output, compiling a similar simple document
>> in LaTeX, where things look as I expect.)
>>
>> Basically, I have two questions:
>>
>> 1) How should I write derivatives (say second derivatives) in ConTeXt?
>> I think that the primes are too far away from each other. In
>> particular when the subscript $p$ is there (the first formula).
>>
>> 2) The math font looks strange (or should I say different) in the
>> ConTeXt example. (Wrong size, scaled?)
>>
>> For a while I thought that the second problem might be because I
>> define no font. But the following example gives a similar result.
>>
>> \definefontfamily[myface][rm][Latin Modern Roman]
>> \definefontfamily[myface][mm][Latin Modern Math]
>>
>> \setupbodyfont[myface]
>>
>> \starttext
>> Compare $u_p''$ and $u''_p$ with $u''$
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> /Mikael
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Thank you Mathias for your answer! That is most likely the problem!
Then we can only wait for Hans to put a new beta out. Hans, will that
happen soon?
Also, Hans, what is the official ConTeXt-way to write u with double
prime and subscript p, as in the example? Should both $u_p''$ and
$u''_p$ work?
Best regards, Mikael
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* Re: Location of primes and strange latin modern font
2017-05-11 16:51 Mikael P. Sundqvist
@ 2017-05-11 18:35 ` Mathias Schickel
2017-05-12 12:11 ` Mikael P. Sundqvist
2017-05-13 17:05 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Mathias Schickel @ 2017-05-11 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Hans Hagen
> 2) The math font looks strange (or should I say different) in the
> ConTeXt example. (Wrong size, scaled?)
Yeah, this seems to be a bug in the current version. I have observed that, too. Hans did recently add (due to my suggestion, so thanks again, Hans, even if this seems to have caused some trouble) support for optical sizes in fallbacks and I suppose the bug has been introduced there. So at present the bug occurs that ConTeXt uses the smallest optical size for every symbol (independent of the size). This results in strange looking mathematics. Maybe you can fix this, Hans?
-Mathias
> Am 11.05.2017 um 18:51 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>:
>
> Dear list,
>
> I posted this question on stack exchange
> (https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/369226/52406), and got the suggestion
> that it might be a bug, and therefore I post it here as well:
>
> I have a problem with typesetting derivatives (and latin modern) in
> ConTeXt in latest standalone.
>
> Minimal example:
>
> \starttext
> Compare $u_p''$ and $u''_p$ with $u''$
> \stoptext
>
> Please see the attached image for the output (here I have also
> included the corresponding output, compiling a similar simple document
> in LaTeX, where things look as I expect.)
>
> Basically, I have two questions:
>
> 1) How should I write derivatives (say second derivatives) in ConTeXt?
> I think that the primes are too far away from each other. In
> particular when the subscript $p$ is there (the first formula).
>
> 2) The math font looks strange (or should I say different) in the
> ConTeXt example. (Wrong size, scaled?)
>
> For a while I thought that the second problem might be because I
> define no font. But the following example gives a similar result.
>
> \definefontfamily[myface][rm][Latin Modern Roman]
> \definefontfamily[myface][mm][Latin Modern Math]
>
> \setupbodyfont[myface]
>
> \starttext
> Compare $u_p''$ and $u''_p$ with $u''$
> \stoptext
>
> Any ideas?
>
> /Mikael
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* Location of primes and strange latin modern font
@ 2017-05-11 16:51 Mikael P. Sundqvist
2017-05-11 18:35 ` Mathias Schickel
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From: Mikael P. Sundqvist @ 2017-05-11 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dear list,
I posted this question on stack exchange
(https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/369226/52406), and got the suggestion
that it might be a bug, and therefore I post it here as well:
I have a problem with typesetting derivatives (and latin modern) in
ConTeXt in latest standalone.
Minimal example:
\starttext
Compare $u_p''$ and $u''_p$ with $u''$
\stoptext
Please see the attached image for the output (here I have also
included the corresponding output, compiling a similar simple document
in LaTeX, where things look as I expect.)
Basically, I have two questions:
1) How should I write derivatives (say second derivatives) in ConTeXt?
I think that the primes are too far away from each other. In
particular when the subscript $p$ is there (the first formula).
2) The math font looks strange (or should I say different) in the
ConTeXt example. (Wrong size, scaled?)
For a while I thought that the second problem might be because I
define no font. But the following example gives a similar result.
\definefontfamily[myface][rm][Latin Modern Roman]
\definefontfamily[myface][mm][Latin Modern Math]
\setupbodyfont[myface]
\starttext
Compare $u_p''$ and $u''_p$ with $u''$
\stoptext
Any ideas?
/Mikael
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