Preparing a weird index.

Preparing a weird index.

[john Culleton]

I have a customer that uses a publisher that has
truly weird requirements. The weirdness is
that the locaters are not page numbers but
paragraph numbers. And some paragraph numbers
start with the prefix 'BO' and others with the
chapter number.  so a correct sequence would be 
BO.15 3.2

A finished  sequence would be

goddess @@ BO.15 3.2 3.5

The sort order has to be letter by letter,
as defined in the Chicago Manual of Style.

Can Context sort and summarize these locaters?

I can even change the BO sequence to 0 (zero) and
then change it back later on. The key is can
Context sort by paragraph number rather than
page number for an index. 

I have looked into Xindy for this job but the
learning curve is pretty steep and the
documentation pretty opaque. makeindex won't
handle decimals for locators. I don't mind doing
a little reformatting along the way (I already
have for this project) but I don't want to
rewrite makeindex or xindy just for this
job. 



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Re: Preparing a weird index.

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/5/2014 9:42 PM, john Culleton wrote:
>
> I have a customer that uses a publisher that has
> truly weird requirements. The weirdness is
> that the locaters are not page numbers but
> paragraph numbers. And some paragraph numbers
> start with the prefix 'BO' and others with the
> chapter number.  so a correct sequence would be
> BO.15 3.2
>
> A finished  sequence would be
>
> goddess @@ BO.15 3.2 3.5
>
> The sort order has to be letter by letter,
> as defined in the Chicago Manual of Style.
>
> Can Context sort and summarize these locaters?

You can use the "BO.15 3.2 3.5" as subentry and it will probably be 
sorted all right; you can then disable page numbers. This kind of 
indexing happens in critical editions.

Hans

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Re: Preparing a weird index.

[Gour]

john Culleton <John@wexfordpress.com> writes:

Hello,

> I have looked into Xindy for this job but the learning curve is pretty
> steep and the documentation pretty opaque. makeindex won't handle
> decimals for locators.

in the past when working on some books with the
English/Croatian/Sanskrit(diacritics) using Xindy in companion with
LyX/LaTeX was the only option to ger proper sorting.

I was playing with the ConTeXt more than 10 years ago, but lack of
proper docs was always keeping me back from fully embracing it.

Today after checking (again) I see that there are even some printed
books and MkIV/LuaTeX seems to be quite stable, so I wonder about
ConTeXt's capabilities to generate index/glossary in regard to xindy
which is powerful, but I never really grokked it properly?

Other typesetting features of ConTeXt are certainly very tempting and
along with Emacs/AUCTeX everything looks as very pleasant typesetting
environment.

@John: I'm curios if you were able to prepare desired index *without*
makeindex/xindy?


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: Preparing a weird index.

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/26/2014 4:17 PM, Gour wrote:

> Today after checking (again) I see that there are even some printed
> books and MkIV/LuaTeX seems to be quite stable, so I wonder about
> ConTeXt's capabilities to generate index/glossary in regard to xindy
> which is powerful, but I never really grokked it properly?

i don't know xindy but normally the context mkiv index mechanism is 
flexible enough (and it can be configured)

Hans

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Re: Preparing a weird index.

[Gour]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> i don't know xindy but normally the context mkiv index mechanism is
> flexible enough (and it can be configured)

Here are some snippets from my old xindy setup...

;; define order of sorting runs
(use-rule-set :run 0
              :rule-set ("resolve-sanskrit-diacritics" "hr-alphabetize" 
              "hr-ignore-special"))
(use-rule-set :run 1
              :rule-set ("hr-resolve-diacritics" "hr-ignore-special"))
(use-rule-set :run 2
              :rule-set ("hr-resolve-case" "hr-ignore-special"))
(use-rule-set :run 3
              :rule-set ("hr-resolve-special"))

which says that the sorting should be done in the following order: first
rules for sanskrit diacriticits, then alphabetic sort of Croatian (hr)
characters etc. followed by another set of rules saying to sort Croatian
diacritics (I was using latin2 encoding) etc.

Here is example of resolve-sanskrit-diacritics:

(define-rule-set "resolve-sanskrit-diacritics"

   :rules  (("\\={(a)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\={\\i}" "i" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\={I}" "I" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\\.{(.)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\d{(r)}" "ri" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\d{(t)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\d{(T)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\d{(d)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\d{(n)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\d{(s)}" "š" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\d{(S)}" "Š" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\~{(.)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\'{(c)}" "ć" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\'{(C)}" "Ć." :bregexp :again)
            ("\\'{(s)}" "š" :bregexp :again)
            ("\\'{(S)}" "Š" :bregexp :again)
            ))

which says that e.g. 'ṣ' which is pronounced similar to Croatian 'š'
should go in the same letter-group, same with 'Ś' which goes to 'Š'. 'ṛ'
is pronounced as 'ri' and it should goes in the letter group 'ri' etc.

Of course, at that time, without proper Unicode support, it was a bit
cumbersome but I was able to see everything properly in LyX as well as
properly sorted in the final PDF/PS outputs.

Is something like that possible in ConTeXt?


Sincerely,
Gour

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and he [the soul] is even higher than the intelligence.

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Re: Preparing a weird index.

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/27/2014 7:42 AM, Gour wrote:
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>> i don't know xindy but normally the context mkiv index mechanism is
>> flexible enough (and it can be configured)
>
> Here are some snippets from my old xindy setup...
>
> ;; define order of sorting runs
> (use-rule-set :run 0
>                :rule-set ("resolve-sanskrit-diacritics" "hr-alphabetize"
>                "hr-ignore-special"))
> (use-rule-set :run 1
>                :rule-set ("hr-resolve-diacritics" "hr-ignore-special"))
> (use-rule-set :run 2
>                :rule-set ("hr-resolve-case" "hr-ignore-special"))
> (use-rule-set :run 3
>                :rule-set ("hr-resolve-special"))
>
> which says that the sorting should be done in the following order: first
> rules for sanskrit diacriticits, then alphabetic sort of Croatian (hr)
> characters etc. followed by another set of rules saying to sort Croatian
> diacritics (I was using latin2 encoding) etc.
>
> Here is example of resolve-sanskrit-diacritics:
>
> (define-rule-set "resolve-sanskrit-diacritics"
>
>     :rules  (("\\={(a)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\={\\i}" "i" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\={I}" "I" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\\.{(.)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\d{(r)}" "ri" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\d{(t)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\d{(T)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\d{(d)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\d{(n)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\d{(s)}" "š" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\d{(S)}" "Š" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\~{(.)}" "\1" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\'{(c)}" "ć" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\'{(C)}" "Ć." :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\'{(s)}" "š" :bregexp :again)
>              ("\\'{(S)}" "Š" :bregexp :again)
>              ))
>
> which says that e.g. 'ṣ' which is pronounced similar to Croatian 'š'
> should go in the same letter-group, same with 'Ś' which goes to 'Š'. 'ṛ'
> is pronounced as 'ri' and it should goes in the letter group 'ri' etc.
>
> Of course, at that time, without proper Unicode support, it was a bit
> cumbersome but I was able to see everything properly in LyX as well as
> properly sorted in the final PDF/PS outputs.
>
> Is something like that possible in ConTeXt?

See sort-lan.lua ... you could define a pseudo-language for this and use 
that one for sorting. The actual sorting is driven by a sequence of 
steps that (can) involve uppercase, lowercase, shape, unicode, specific 
order etc.

Hans

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Re: Preparing a weird index.

[Gour]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> See sort-lan.lua ... you could define a pseudo-language for this and
> use that one for sorting. The actual sorting is driven by a sequence
> of steps that (can) involve uppercase, lowercase, shape, unicode,
> specific order etc.

It looks very good. Congratulations?

Does it mean I can e.g. still use 'hr' as main language for writing and
then use my pseudo language *just* for sorting purposes?


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: Preparing a weird index.

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 27.06.2014 um 10:05 schrieb Gour <gour@atmarama.net>:

> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
> 
>> See sort-lan.lua ... you could define a pseudo-language for this and
>> use that one for sorting. The actual sorting is driven by a sequence
>> of steps that (can) involve uppercase, lowercase, shape, unicode,
>> specific order etc.
> 
> It looks very good. Congratulations?
> 
> Does it mean I can e.g. still use 'hr' as main language for writing and
> then use my pseudo language *just* for sorting purposes?

Yes, the register mechanism provides a language key where you can
specify the language which is used for the sorting of the entries.

Wolfgang
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Re: Preparing a weird index.

[Gour]

Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> writes:

> Yes, the register mechanism provides a language key where you can
> specify the language which is used for the sorting of the entries.

Excellent!!

It's time to dive into ConTeXt again...

Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: Preparing a weird index.

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/27/2014 10:05 AM, Gour wrote:
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>> See sort-lan.lua ... you could define a pseudo-language for this and
>> use that one for sorting. The actual sorting is driven by a sequence
>> of steps that (can) involve uppercase, lowercase, shape, unicode,
>> specific order etc.
>
> It looks very good. Congratulations?
>
> Does it mean I can e.g. still use 'hr' as main language for writing and
> then use my pseudo language *just* for sorting purposes?

yes


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