Re: win2k and context

Re: win2k and context

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2013/071049.html
> > Taco keeps an archive of windows binaries on
> >     http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/

not found

> >     (click on package name to get the list of older releases)
> > but they were compiled on a different compiler, so you need to 
> > check yourself whether they work for you or not.
> > 
> > In case not, my best bet for downloading it would be fetching
> > luatex.dll from an arbitrary commit from
> >     http://tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/bin/win32/

not clear to me how to extract a certain older version!

> > Most probably the latest binary is still 0.72.0 in which case you > > can also fetch it from
> >     http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive

The version is not obvious to me! Seems more or less current. No 
older archives!

> > http://mirrors.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/luatex.win32.tar.xz

No older versions!


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Re: win2k and context

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/27/2014 7:02 PM, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
>> http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2013/071049.html
>>> Taco keeps an archive of windows binaries on
>>>      http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/
>
> not found
>
>>>      (click on package name to get the list of older releases)
>>> but they were compiled on a different compiler, so you need to
>>> check yourself whether they work for you or not.
>>>
>>> In case not, my best bet for downloading it would be fetching
>>> luatex.dll from an arbitrary commit from
>>>      http://tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/bin/win32/
>
> not clear to me how to extract a certain older version!
>
>>> Most probably the latest binary is still 0.72.0 in which case you > > can also fetch it from
>>>      http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive
>
> The version is not obvious to me! Seems more or less current. No
> older archives!
>
>>> http://mirrors.ctan.org/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive/luatex.win32.tar.xz
>
> No older versions!

Any reason to stick to windows 2000? Do you want to run old experimental 
luatex?

Hans

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Re: win2k and context

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
>> http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2013/071049.html
>> > Taco keeps an archive of windows binaries on
>> >     http://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/luatex/frs/
>
> not found

It seems that the URL stopped working for some reason (maybe software
upgrade?), the working url is:

https://foundry.supelec.fr/frs/?group_id=10

>> >     (click on package name to get the list of older releases)
>> > but they were compiled on a different compiler, so you need to
>> > check yourself whether they work for you or not.
>> >
>> > In case not, my best bet for downloading it would be fetching
>> > luatex.dll from an arbitrary commit from
>> >     http://tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/bin/win32/
>
> not clear to me how to extract a certain older version!

http://tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/bin/win32/luatex.dll?view=log

or

svn co svn://tug.org/texlive/trunk/Master/bin/win32
cd win32
svn log # to see what's there
svn up -r<some number>

>> > Most probably the latest binary is still 0.72.0 in which case you > > can also fetch it from
>> >     http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/systems/texlive/tlnet/archive
>
> The version is not obvious to me! Seems more or less current. No
> older archives!

That was true at that time when the version in TeX live was probably
still working. You might be able to fetch and old TeX Live from the
archive.

ftp://ftp.tug.org/historic/systems/texlive/

Akira's recent binaries don't support Windows 2000 any longer, that's
for sure, but he's using Visual Studio. There is a reasonable chance
that you might be able to compile luatex yourself with MinGW (maybe
Taco's binaries are working) and maybe that would work even with the
latest version of LuaTeX. But you need to try yourself. You are
probably the only ConTeXt user on Windows 2000 ;)

Mojca
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Re: win2k and context

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> Just curious: is that the latest version that works according to your
> tests or did you actually try just this one?

The next version available in
https://foundry.supelec.fr/frs/?group_id=10
is 0.74.0 and didn't work.

I don't know if there are versions between?

Wolfgang
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Re: win2k and context

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> Please test whether the luatex binaries work at all. Without a working
> luatex binary it's pointless to even discuss any further. Once you
> find a working luatex, we'll be able to help you further.

The mingw 0.72.0 is not complaining about missing functions. So I can 
say: It runs! Don't know if there are other problems.
> 
> Btw: a working mtxrun alone won't help you because that won't
> necessarily give you a compatible luatex version. In the worst case
> you can probably replace mtxrun with a batch script.

With a working mtxrun I could downgrade using the context=<date> 
switch. This switch makes not much sens if it is not working with 
older versions.

Wolfgang
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Re: win2k and context

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
>> Please test whether the luatex binaries work at all. Without a working
>> luatex binary it's pointless to even discuss any further. Once you
>> find a working luatex, we'll be able to help you further.
>
> The mingw 0.72.0 is not complaining about missing functions. So I can
> say: It runs! Don't know if there are other problems.

Just curious: is that the latest version that works according to your
tests or did you actually try just this one?

>> Btw: a working mtxrun alone won't help you because that won't
>> necessarily give you a compatible luatex version. In the worst case
>> you can probably replace mtxrun with a batch script.
>
> With a working mtxrun I could downgrade using the context=<date>
> switch. This switch makes not much sens if it is not working with
> older versions.

If LuaTeX runs, fetch ConTeXt from git:
   * https://github.com/contextgarden/context/
   * http://git.contextgarden.net/context/context/
(or from elsewhere).

The switch --context=<date> became pretty much useless as there are no
more regular "current" releases of ConTeXt. With git you get access to
more versions.

The script mtxrun contains some instructions about how one could run it:

LUATEXDIR=/....../texmf/scripts/context/lua luatex --luaonly mtxrun.lua "$@"

If you translate that syntax to a mtxrun.bat, it will probably work.
Or you can try to compile mtxrun yourself.

Mojca
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Re: win2k and context

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> At least mtxrun.exe should work with older Windows versions!
> 
> So I could do
> 
> mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --force --update --make --
> context=2012-12-09 --texroot=%CONTEXTROOT% %*
> 
> to fetch an older version.

I have tried this on a XP machine, but I got LuaTeX 0.79.1 and 
context 2013.11.01 (which I had bevor the mtxrun on that machine).

I also tried the above command without the --update option.
But same result.

Wolfgang
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Re: win2k and context

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> https://foundry.supelec.fr/frs/?group_id=10

This is LuaTeX only, not the whole distribution.

> http://tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/bin/win32/luatex.dll?view=log

Sorry! Can not finde there any older context distribution.

Wolfgang
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Re: win2k and context

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
>> https://foundry.supelec.fr/frs/?group_id=10
>
> This is LuaTeX only, not the whole distribution.
>
>> http://tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/bin/win32/luatex.dll?view=log
>
> Sorry! Can not finde there any older context distribution.

Please test whether the luatex binaries work at all. Without a working
luatex binary it's pointless to even discuss any further. Once you
find a working luatex, we'll be able to help you further.

Btw: a working mtxrun alone won't help you because that won't
necessarily give you a compatible luatex version. In the worst case
you can probably replace mtxrun with a batch script.

Mojca
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Re: win2k and context

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

Hallo Hans,

> Any reason to stick to windows 2000? Do you want to run old
> experimental luatex?

There is no question without a reason!

At least mtxrun.exe should work with older Windows versions!

So I could do

mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --force --update --make --
context=2012-12-09 --texroot=%CONTEXTROOT% %*

to fetch an older version.

Wolfgang
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Re: win2k and context

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/28/2014 1:02 PM, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
> Hallo Hans,
>
>> Any reason to stick to windows 2000? Do you want to run old
>> experimental luatex?
>
> There is no question without a reason!
>
> At least mtxrun.exe should work with older Windows versions!

The problem is that at some point a different network related library 
was introduced and most programs (not only luatex) after some years end 
up using the new stuff. Windows has a quite good track record for long 
term support of binaries but there are limits. Compiling binaries 
themselves is normally not on the user's agenda.

> So I could do
>
> mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --force --update --make --
> context=2012-12-09 --texroot=%CONTEXTROOT% %*
>
> to fetch an older version.

Hans

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win2k and context

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

Can you please tell me the latest context version (mkiv) working with 
win2k and the download position?
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Re: win2k and context

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
> Can you please tell me the latest context version (mkiv) working with
> win2k and the download position?

http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2013/070994.html
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2013/071049.html

Mojca
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