Re: Starting with bibliography / international entries

[Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>]

On 10/14/2014 10:19 AM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> Am Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:22:09 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>
>>> I found this about BibLaTeX / Babel:
>>> http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/28010/how-to-create-multilingual-english-japanese-bibliographies-with-biblatex-bib
>>> It’s nearly the same problem as mine.
>>>
>>> BibLaTeX 3.0 + Biber 2.0 are advertised to support this syntax:
>
> Well actually (after a renumbering) one needs biblatex 4.0 and biber
> 3.0.
>
>>>
>>> @COLLECTION{yanagida_zengaku_sosho_1975,
>>>     LANGID = {japanese},
>>>     EDITOR = {柳田聖山},
>>>     EDITOR_romanised = {Yanagida, Seizan},
>>>     TITLE = {禪學叢書},
>>>     TITLE_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
>>>     TITLE_translated_english = {Collected Materials for the Study of Zen},
>>>     LOCATION = {京都},
>>>     LOCATION_romanised = {Kyōto},
>>>     LOCATION_translated_english = {Kyoto},
>>>     PUBLISHER = {中文出版社},
>>>     PUBLISHER_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
>>>     DATE = {1974/1977}
>>> }
>>>
>>> … and extract the right version according to configuration.
>>> Is there support for these constructed keys in ConTeXt?
>>
>> sure, you can use any field you like and you can adapt yoru rendering
>> setups to use them
>>
>> the problem is not so much to support variants of fields (although I
>> really dislike this mixed upper/lowercase mess)
>
> You can write everything in lowercase if you want. The syntax only
> expects the _ to separate the main field and the variant/language.
>
>> the main question is: how mixed is this used? are EDITOR and
>> EDITOR_whatever used at the same time?
>
> You can. There are commands to choose a specific variant, but you
> can also define fallbacks. So something like
> "Editor (Editor_translated)" or "Editor translated but fall back to
> editor if it doesn't exist" is possible.
>
> The main problem is not to get lost in the variants/fallback chains.

That was my initial impression too. There are simply too many 
combination possible. In such a case it makes more sense to tune the 
rendering than to figure out all the options. So, in context speak that 
would mean something:

     \btxdoif {title} {
         \btxspace
         \btxflush{title}
         \btxdoifelse {title_variant_b} {
             \btxleftparenthesis
             \btxflush{title_variant_b}
             \btxrightparenthesis
         } {
             \btxdoif {title_variant_a} {
                 \btxleftparenthesis
                 \btxflush{title_variant_a}
                 \btxrightparenthesis
             }
         }
         \btxperiod
     }

Authors are of course somewhat more complex as there one needs to deal 
with the way names are constructed. But even then, in such cases 
adapting a few setups is not most work.

> Another problem is to get name lists right: After all it is possible
> that only some authors needs to be romanised. But with the help of
> the name hashes I was at the end able to do something like "Müller
> and  柳田聖山 (Yanagida, Seizan) ..."

so basically you order by a mix of name and romanized name (or romanized 
name with name as fallback)?

> Smaller problems are how to write the names correctly -- after all
> not everywhere in the world names follows the "lastname, fistname"
> convention.

yes, although if you use APA it might have rules for that (but that is 
Alan's speciality)

Hans


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