From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/88959 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rik Kabel Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Slanted, double-quoted quotations Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:03:01 -0400 Message-ID: <543EC4E5.8050605@rik.users.panix.com> References: <543E8B97.4070803@rik.users.panix.com> <543EB117.4010105@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1380476560==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413399869 1964 80.91.229.3 (15 Oct 2014 19:04:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:04:29 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Oct 15 21:04:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XeTry-0004Sb-BE for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:04:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC49010223 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:04:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id lPsPCdztPejA for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:04:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2827D10265 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:03:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BA310223 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:03:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id UnwLVu8ZnB6U for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:03:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (filter2-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.70]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA82710222 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:03:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id s9FJ347h017260 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:03:11 +0200 Original-Received: from [192.168.201.10] (cpe-67-240-55-150.nycap.res.rr.com [67.240.55.150]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9A92E0DF for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:03:03 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 In-Reply-To: <543EB117.4010105@wxs.nl> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: ntg-context@ntg.nl, base:default, @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=166.84.1.89; country=US; region=New York; city=New York; latitude=40.7553; longitude=-73.9924; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=40.7553,-73.9924&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0QN3v346m - f9e88d4995cf - 20141015 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.70 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:88959 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1380476560== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000606030107090506060400" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000606030107090506060400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2014-10-15 13:38, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 10/15/2014 4:58 PM, Rik Kabel wrote: >> On 2014-10-15 09:06, Sander Maijers wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm using beta 2014.09.27. The code below produces a slanted, unquote= d >>> quotation, whereas I intend to produce a slanted, double-quoted >>> quotation. How can I fix it? >>> >>> \definedelimitedtext[quotationsl][ >>> style=3Dslanted, >>> left=3D{\symbol[leftquotation]}, >>> right=3D{\symbol[rightquotation]}, >>> location=3Dtext, >>> ] >>> >>> \setupdelimitedtext[quotationsl][style=3Dslanted,left=3D{\symbol[left= quotation]},right=3D{\symbol[rightquotation]}]=20 >>> >>> >>> \starttext >>> \quotationsl{This should be slanted and double-quoted.} >>> \stoptext >>> >>> Best, >>> Sander Maijers >>> >> Looks like a bug. > > it's deliberate and has always been the case in mkiv > >> Modifying the parenthesis example at >> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdelimitedtext demonstrates >> that when a style other than normal is specified, the left and right >> settings are ignored and style settings in deeper levels ignored as >> well. (There may be other keys that are ignored as well, and others th= at >> set this off.) I tried a number of combinations. The following is one >> that shows the problem. Without the style settings, it works as >> described in the wiki. > > well, i can do a different check (in next beta) but you deal with=20 > questions about incompatible behaviour ... > >> \definedelimitedtext[parenthesis][location=3Dtext] >> \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:1] [left=3D{(}, right=3D{)}] >> \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:2] [style=3Dslanted, left=3D{[},=20 >> right=3D{]}] >> \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:3] [style=3Dnormal, left=3D{\{}, >> right=3D{\}}] >> \starttext >> \parenthesis{My outer layer \parenthesis{my inner layer >> \parenthesis{my innermost layer}}} >> \stoptext > > i'll add symstyle/color: > > \definedelimitedtext[parenthesis] [location=3Dtext] > \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:1] [left=3D{(}, right=3D{)}] > \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:2]=20 > [symcolor=3Dred,symstyle=3Dboldslanted,style=3Dslanted, left=3D{[}, rig= ht=3D{]}] > \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:3]=20 > [symcolor=3Dblue,symstyle=3Dbold,style=3Dnormal, left=3D{\{}, right=3D{= \}}] > > \starttext > \parenthesis{My outer layer \parenthesis{my inner layer=20 > \parenthesis{my innermost layer}}} > \stoptext > Hans, I am not sure I understand the need for symstyle and symcolor. The issue=20 is not that the symbols are not styled/colored, but that they do not=20 appear at all when a non-normal style is specified. What I see with the=20 example I posted is: and I assume that Sander saw a similar issue. Note that there are no square brackets present as defined for layer 2. I realize that style=3Dnormal for level 3 should perhaps be style=3D\tf,=20 since normal is redefined to slanted within the scope of layer 2. With=20 that change to my example, I get This still has the lack of square brackets, and now in addition lacks=20 curly braces for level 3. If your fix is meant to repair that, all is well. If not, could you=20 explain why =E2=80=9Cit's deliberate and has always been the case in mkiv= =E2=80=9D? --=20 Rik Kabel --------------000606030107090506060400 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------020904050405040701010505" --------------020904050405040701010505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2014-10-15 13:38, Hans Hagen wrote:=
On 10/15/2014 4:58 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
On 2014-10-15 09:06, Sander Maijers wrote= :
Hi,

I'm using beta 2014.09.27. The code below produces a slanted, unquoted
quotation, whereas I intend to produce a slanted, double-quoted
quotation. How can I fix it?

\definedelimitedtext[quotationsl][
=C2=A0 style=3Dslanted,
=C2=A0 left=3D{\symbol[leftquotation]},
=C2=A0 right=3D{\symbol[rightquotation]},
=C2=A0 location=3Dtext,
]

\setupdelimitedtext[quotationsl][style=3Dslanted,left=3D{\symbol[leftquot= ation]},right=3D{\symbol[rightquotation]}]

\starttext
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \quotationsl{This should be slanted and doub= le-quoted.}
\stoptext

Best,
Sander Maijers

Looks like a bug.

it's deliberate and has always been the case in mkiv

Modifying the parenthesis example at
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command= /setupdelimitedtext demonstrates
that when a style other than normal is specified, the left and right
settings are ignored=C2=A0 and style settings in deeper levels ignored as
well. (There may be other keys that are ignored as well, and others that
set this off.) I tried a number of combinations. The following is one
that shows the problem. Without the style settings, it works as
described in the wiki.

well, i can do a different check (in next beta) but you deal with questions about incompatible behaviour ...

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \definedelimitedtext[parenthesis][location=3Dtext]
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:1] [left=3D{(= }, right=3D{)}]
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:2] [style=3Ds= lanted, left=3D{[}, right=3D{]}]
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:3] [style=3Dn= ormal, left=3D{\{},
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 right=3D{\}}]
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \starttext
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \parenthesis{My outer layer \parenthesis{my in= ner layer
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \parenthesis{my innermost layer}}}
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \stoptext

i'll add symstyle/color:

\definedelimitedtext[parenthesis]=C2=A0=C2=A0 [location=3Dtext]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:1] [left=3D{(}, right=3D{)}]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:2] [symcolor=3Dred,symstyle=3Dboldslanted,style=3Dslanted, left=3D{[}, right=3D{]}]
\setupdelimitedtext [parenthesis:3] [symcolor=3Dblue,symstyle=3Dbold,style=3Dnormal, left=3D{\{}, right= =3D{\}}]

\starttext
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 \parenthesis{My outer layer \parenthesis{my inne= r layer \parenthesis{my innermost layer}}}
\stoptext

Hans,

I am not sure I understand the need for symstyle and symcolor. The issue is not that the symbols are not styled/colored, but that they do not appear at all when a non-normal style is specified. What I see with the example I posted is:
3D""=
and I assume that Sander saw a similar issue.

Note that there are no square brackets present as defined for layer 2.

I realize that style=3Dnormal for level 3 should perhaps be style=3D\= tf, since normal is redefined to slanted within the scope of layer 2. With that change to my example, I get
3D""=
This still has the lack of square brackets, and now in addition lacks curly braces for level 3.

If your fix is meant to repair that, all is well. If not, could you explain why =E2=80=9Cit's deliberate and has always been the case in = mkiv=E2=80=9D?

--
Rik Kabel
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