* \startitem and \startparagraph
@ 2014-10-17 1:02 Rik Kabel
2014-10-17 7:50 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2014-10-17 1:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
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What is the proper way to delimit paragraphs within an itemized list
using \start..\stop tagging (as for epub and such)? When I wrap
paragraphs with \startparagraph..\stopparagraph within the
\startitem..\stopitem, there is an unwanted newline inserted between the
bullet and the item text.
Or, is it not recommend to wrap paragraphs that are in enumerations?
I ask because http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Epub_Sample suggests “Make
sure to tag all your structural elements with \start...-\stop..., e.g.
\startchapter, but even \startparagraph!” I also note the appearance of
\startcontent..\stopcontent and \stopcaption..\startcaption and such,
suggesting to me that semantic tagging may be a useful thing to add to
new documents in order to support new output formats.
\starttext
\startitemize
\startitem
\startparagraph
Item one paragraph one.
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
Item one paragraph two.
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
Item one paragraph three.
\stopparagraph
\stopitem
\startitem
\startparagraph
Item two paragraph one.
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
Item two paragraph two.
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
Item two paragraph three.
\stopparagraph
\stopitem
\stopitemize
\startitemize
\item
Item three paragraph one.
Item three paragraph two.
Item three paragraph three.
\item
Item four paragraph one.
Item four paragraph two.
Item four paragraph three.
\stopitemize
\stoptext
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2014-10-17 1:02 \startitem and \startparagraph Rik Kabel
@ 2014-10-17 7:50 ` Hans Hagen
2014-10-17 15:11 ` Rik Kabel
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-10-17 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 10/17/2014 3:02 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> What is the proper way to delimit paragraphs within an itemized list
> using \start..\stop tagging (as for epub and such)? When I wrap
> paragraphs with \startparagraph..\stopparagraph within the
> \startitem..\stopitem, there is an unwanted newline inserted between the
> bullet and the item text.
>
> Or, is it not recommend to wrap paragraphs that are in enumerations?
>
> I ask because http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Epub_Sample suggests “Make
> sure to tag all your structural elements with \start...-\stop..., e.g.
> \startchapter, but even \startparagraph!” I also note the appearance of
> \startcontent..\stopcontent and \stopcaption..\startcaption and such,
> suggesting to me that semantic tagging may be a useful thing to add to
> new documents in order to support new output formats.
>
> \starttext
> \startitemize
> \startitem
> \startparagraph
> Item one paragraph one.
> \stopparagraph
> \startparagraph
> Item one paragraph two.
> \stopparagraph
> \startparagraph
> Item one paragraph three.
> \stopparagraph
> \stopitem
> \startitem
> \startparagraph
> Item two paragraph one.
> \stopparagraph
> \startparagraph
> Item two paragraph two.
> \stopparagraph
> \startparagraph
> Item two paragraph three.
> \stopparagraph
> \stopitem
> \stopitemize
\starttext
\startitemize
\startitem
\bpar
Item one paragraph one.
\epar % \stopparagraph
\bpar
Item one paragraph two.
\epar
\bpar
Item one paragraph three.
\epar
\stopitem
\startitem
\bpar
Item two paragraph one.
\epar
\bpar
Item two paragraph two.
\epar
\bpar
Item two paragraph three.
\epar
\stopitem
\stopitemize
\stoptext
> \startitemize
> \item
> Item three paragraph one.
>
> Item three paragraph two.
>
> Item three paragraph three.
> \item
> Item four paragraph one.
>
> Item four paragraph two.
>
> Item four paragraph three.
> \stopitemize
> \stoptext
>
> --
> Rik Kabel
>
>
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread* Re: \startitem and \startparagraph
2014-10-17 7:50 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2014-10-17 15:11 ` Rik Kabel
2014-10-17 18:22 ` Hans Hagen
2014-10-18 11:13 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2014-10-17 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 2014-10-17 03:50, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 10/17/2014 3:02 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>> What is the proper way to delimit paragraphs within an itemized list
>> using \start..\stop tagging (as for epub and such)? When I wrap
>> paragraphs with \startparagraph..\stopparagraph within the
>> \startitem..\stopitem, there is an unwanted newline inserted between the
>> bullet and the item text.
>>
>> Or, is it not recommend to wrap paragraphs that are in enumerations?
>>
>> I ask because http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Epub_Sample suggests “Make
>> sure to tag all your structural elements with \start...-\stop..., e.g.
>> \startchapter, but even \startparagraph!” I also note the appearance of
>> \startcontent..\stopcontent and \stopcaption..\startcaption and such,
>> suggesting to me that semantic tagging may be a useful thing to add to
>> new documents in order to support new output formats.
>>
>> \starttext
>> \startitemize
>> \startitem
>> \startparagraph
>> Item one paragraph one.
>> \stopparagraph
>> \startparagraph
>> Item one paragraph two.
>> \stopparagraph
>> \startparagraph
>> Item one paragraph three.
>> \stopparagraph
>> \stopitem
>> \startitem
>> \startparagraph
>> Item two paragraph one.
>> \stopparagraph
>> \startparagraph
>> Item two paragraph two.
>> \stopparagraph
>> \startparagraph
>> Item two paragraph three.
>> \stopparagraph
>> \stopitem
>> \stopitemize
>
> \starttext
> \startitemize
> \startitem
> \bpar
> Item one paragraph one.
> \epar % \stopparagraph
> \bpar
> Item one paragraph two.
> \epar
> \bpar
> Item one paragraph three.
> \epar
> \stopitem
> \startitem
> \bpar
> Item two paragraph one.
> \epar
> \bpar
> Item two paragraph two.
> \epar
> \bpar
> Item two paragraph three.
> \epar
> \stopitem
> \stopitemize
> \stoptext
>
Thank you, Hans, for that.
Can you explain when \startparagraph..\stopparagraph should be preferred
for tagging, and when \bpar..\epar? There is clearly a difference
between them.
Is there any setup associated with \bpar..\epar as there is
\defineparagraph for \startparagraph..\stopparagraph?
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Rik Kabel
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* Re: \startitem and \startparagraph
2014-10-17 15:11 ` Rik Kabel
@ 2014-10-17 18:22 ` Hans Hagen
2014-10-18 11:13 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2014-10-17 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 10/17/2014 5:11 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> Thank you, Hans, for that.
>
> Can you explain when \startparagraph..\stopparagraph should be preferred
> for tagging, and when \bpar..\epar? There is clearly a difference
> between them.
>
> Is there any setup associated with \bpar..\epar as there is
> \defineparagraph for \startparagraph..\stopparagraph?
no time now ... just grep the source ... they are just simple hooks and
the short bpar one doesn't issue a \par ... not that much special ...
the long ones are real elements and can also have additional attributes
Hans
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2014-10-17 15:11 ` Rik Kabel
2014-10-17 18:22 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2014-10-18 11:13 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2014-10-18 11:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Am 17.10.2014 um 17:11 schrieb Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com>:
>
> On 2014-10-17 03:50, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 10/17/2014 3:02 AM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>>> What is the proper way to delimit paragraphs within an itemized list
>>> using \start..\stop tagging (as for epub and such)? When I wrap
>>> paragraphs with \startparagraph..\stopparagraph within the
>>> \startitem..\stopitem, there is an unwanted newline inserted between the
>>> bullet and the item text.
>>>
>>> Or, is it not recommend to wrap paragraphs that are in enumerations?
>>>
>>> I ask because http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Epub_Sample suggests “Make
>>> sure to tag all your structural elements with \start...-\stop..., e.g.
>>> \startchapter, but even \startparagraph!” I also note the appearance of
>>> \startcontent..\stopcontent and \stopcaption..\startcaption and such,
>>> suggesting to me that semantic tagging may be a useful thing to add to
>>> new documents in order to support new output formats.
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>> \startitemize
>>> \startitem
>>> \startparagraph
>>> Item one paragraph one.
>>> \stopparagraph
>>> \startparagraph
>>> Item one paragraph two.
>>> \stopparagraph
>>> \startparagraph
>>> Item one paragraph three.
>>> \stopparagraph
>>> \stopitem
>>> \startitem
>>> \startparagraph
>>> Item two paragraph one.
>>> \stopparagraph
>>> \startparagraph
>>> Item two paragraph two.
>>> \stopparagraph
>>> \startparagraph
>>> Item two paragraph three.
>>> \stopparagraph
>>> \stopitem
>>> \stopitemize
>>
>> \starttext
>> \startitemize
>> \startitem
>> \bpar
>> Item one paragraph one.
>> \epar % \stopparagraph
>> \bpar
>> Item one paragraph two.
>> \epar
>> \bpar
>> Item one paragraph three.
>> \epar
>> \stopitem
>> \startitem
>> \bpar
>> Item two paragraph one.
>> \epar
>> \bpar
>> Item two paragraph two.
>> \epar
>> \bpar
>> Item two paragraph three.
>> \epar
>> \stopitem
>> \stopitemize
>> \stoptext
>>
> Thank you, Hans, for that.
>
> Can you explain when \startparagraph..\stopparagraph should be preferred for tagging, and when \bpar..\epar? There is clearly a difference between them.
\starttext
The \tex{bpar} and \tex{epar} commands only add tags for the begin and end
of the paragraph in the exported content:
\startitemize
\startitem
\input ward
\stopitem
\startitem
\bpar \input ward \epar
\stopitem
\stopitemize
When you use the \tex{startparagraph} and \tex{stopparagraph} commands \CONTEXT\
forces the end of the previous paragraph before it add the tags for the export:
\startitemize
\startitem
\par \input ward \par
\stopitem
\startitem
\startparagraph \input ward \stopparagraph
\stopitem
\stopitemize
\stoptext
> Is there any setup associated with \bpar..\epar as there is \defineparagraph for \startparagraph..\stopparagraph?
No, the commands add only the tags when you use the export function.
Wolfgang
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