* (again) bug in index sorting?
@ 2014-11-01 16:24 Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2014-11-01 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dear list,
I have the following sample:
\setuppapersize[A6]
\starttext
\index{tipografía digital}
\index{tipografías}
\index{tomato white}
\index{tomatoes red}
\index{idioma+de un pasaje}
\index{idioma+del documento}
\completeindex
\stoptext
Latest beta from 2014.10.31 12:47 sorts the index entries the following way:
tomatoes red
tomato white
Of course, this sample doesn’t make sense, but the entries in Spanish
do. All of them are wrong sorted.
Stable version from 2014.01.03 00:40. The different sorting criterium
seems to have been introduced in beta from 2014.10.22 16:23.
Or shouldn’t be the first word sorted first and then the second one in
index entry?
Could anyone be so kind to confirm the bug?
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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* Re: (again) bug in index sorting?
2014-11-03 13:50 ` Alan BRASLAU
@ 2014-11-03 18:11 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2014-11-03 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 11/03/2014 02:50 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> [...]
> When indexing items containing several words, the sorting should go
> word by word, thus
> tipografía digital
> before
> tipografías
>
> This amounts to making whitespace higher precedence than anything else,
> which I believe was not the case but now is fixed.
This was fixed in beta from yesterday.
Pablo
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* Re: (again) bug in index sorting?
2014-11-03 12:22 ` Robert Blackstone
@ 2014-11-03 13:50 ` Alan BRASLAU
2014-11-03 18:11 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2014-11-03 13:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Blackstone; +Cc: ntg-context
On Mon, 3 Nov 2014 13:22:28 +0100
Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 3 Nov 2014, at 10:01 , Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote
> >
> > On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:45:25 +0100
> > Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 2 Nov 2014, at 12:00 , Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote
> >>>
> >>> I
> > Alphabetize letter by letter. When alphabetizing surnames, remember
> > that “nothing precedes something”: Brown, J. R., precedes Browning,
> > A. R., even though i precedes j in the alphabet.
> >
> > Singh, Y., precedes Singh Siddhu, N.
> > López, M. E., precedes López de Molina, G.
> > Ibn Abdulaziz, T., precedes Ibn Nidal, A. K. M.
> > Girard, J.-B., precedes Girard-Perregaux, A. S.
> > Villafuerte, S. A., precedes Villa-Lobos, J.
> > Benjamin, A. S., precedes ben Yaakov, D.
>
> Hi Alan,
> This still puzzles me a bit.
> You write: “Brown, J. R., precedes Browning, A.R., even though i
> precedes j in the alphabet.” But isn’t that because “," precedes “i" ?
> Likewise, when sorting these names (with TeX-Edit Plus), Singh
> Siddhu, N. comes out before Singh, Y., not the reverse, precisely
> because, as you say, “nothing precedes something”, or the space
> between Singh and Siddhu precedes the comma between Singh and Y.
> Same with López de Molina, G. and López, M. E.
>
> Or does ConTeXt, or TeX, have its own sorting order?
Please do not forget the \startquotation\stopquotation.
I am citing the APA rules, not stating anything on how ConTeXt (or
TeX-Edit or anything else) sorts lists in general.
Brown precedes Browning because APA sorts on last names.
Singh precedes Singh Siddhu because "nothing precedes
something"( Siddhu)
López precedes López de Molina for precisely the same reason.
Ibn Abdulaziz precedes Ibn Nidal because Ibn is not to be taken into
account.
Laue, M. von precedes Röntgen, W. C, as well as Van der Waals, J. D. but
here things start to get tricky!
My point is that sorting lists of course depends on what you are
listing. Indexing author names, for example, needs to sort on last
names, then first names. Indexing on several levels needs to sort first
by the first level, then by the second level, ...
When indexing items containing several words, the sorting should go
word by word, thus
tipografía digital
before
tipografías
This amounts to making whitespace higher precedence than anything else,
which I believe was not the case but now is fixed.
Alan
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* Re: (again) bug in index sorting?
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@ 2014-11-03 12:22 ` Robert Blackstone
2014-11-03 13:50 ` Alan BRASLAU
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From: Robert Blackstone @ 2014-11-03 12:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3 Nov 2014, at 10:01 , Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote
>
> On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:45:25 +0100
> Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2 Nov 2014, at 12:00 , Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote
>>>
>>> I
> Alphabetize letter by letter. When alphabetizing surnames, remember
> that “nothing precedes something”: Brown, J. R., precedes Browning, A.
> R., even though i precedes j in the alphabet.
>
> Singh, Y., precedes Singh Siddhu, N.
> López, M. E., precedes López de Molina, G.
> Ibn Abdulaziz, T., precedes Ibn Nidal, A. K. M.
> Girard, J.-B., precedes Girard-Perregaux, A. S.
> Villafuerte, S. A., precedes Villa-Lobos, J.
> Benjamin, A. S., precedes ben Yaakov, D.
Hi Alan,
This still puzzles me a bit.
You write: “Brown, J. R., precedes Browning, A.R., even though i precedes j in the alphabet.”
But isn’t that because “," precedes “i" ?
Likewise, when sorting these names (with TeX-Edit Plus), Singh Siddhu, N. comes out before Singh, Y., not the reverse, precisely because, as you say, “nothing precedes something”, or the space between Singh and Siddhu precedes the comma between Singh and Y.
Same with López de Molina, G. and López, M. E.
Or does ConTeXt, or TeX, have its own sorting order?
Best regards,
Robert Blackstone
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* Re: (again) bug in index sorting?
2014-11-02 11:45 ` Robert Blackstone
@ 2014-11-02 15:05 ` Alan BRASLAU
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2014-11-02 15:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 12:45:25 +0100
Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2 Nov 2014, at 12:00 , Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote
> >
> > I have the following sample:
> >
> > \setuppapersize[A6]
> > \starttext
> > \index{tipografía digital}
> > \index{tipografías}
> > \index{tomato white}
> > \index{tomatoes red}
> > \index{idioma+de un pasaje}
> > \index{idioma+del documento}
> > \completeindex
> > \stoptext
> >
> > Latest beta from 2014.10.31 12:47 sorts the index entries the
> > following way:
> >
> > tomatoes red
> > tomato white
> >
> > Of course, this sample doesn’t make sense, but the entries in
> > Spanish do. All of them are wrong sorted.
> >
> > Stable version from 2014.01.03 00:40. The different sorting
> > criterium seems to have been introduced in beta from 2014.10.22
> > 16:23.
> >
> > Or shouldn’t be the first word sorted first and then the second one
> > in index entry?
> >
> > Could anyone be so kind to confirm the bug?
> >
> > Many thanks for your help,
> >
> >
> > Pablo
>
> Hi Pablo,
> I cannot confirm any bug, but what I would do anyway is to force the
> sorting in whatever order I want by using \index[]{} with the
> argument specifying the order. So your example could be:
>
> \starttext
> \index[tipograf\'{i}adig]{tipograf\'{i}a digital}
> \index[tipograf\'{i}as]{tipograf\'{i}as}
> \index[idiomadeu]{idioma+de un pasaje}
> \index[idiomadel]{idioma+del documento}
> \completeindex
> \stoptext
>
> if you want tipografias digital before tipografias.
> This works with all mkiv and mkii versions I have, including the ones
> that I installed today. I use it for a rather comlex three-level
> index and it works flawlessly (for me).
Because I have become obsessed with the APA style rules recently (;-),
\startquotation
Alphabetize letter by letter. When alphabetizing surnames, remember
that “nothing precedes something”: Brown, J. R., precedes Browning, A.
R., even though i precedes j in the alphabet.
Singh, Y., precedes Singh Siddhu, N.
López, M. E., precedes López de Molina, G.
Ibn Abdulaziz, T., precedes Ibn Nidal, A. K. M.
Girard, J.-B., precedes Girard-Perregaux, A. S.
Villafuerte, S. A., precedes Villa-Lobos, J.
Benjamin, A. S., precedes ben Yaakov, D.
\stopquotation
Of course, these are names, a favorite subject that I share with Hans
these days...
Alan
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* Re: (again) bug in index sorting?
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@ 2014-11-02 11:45 ` Robert Blackstone
2014-11-02 15:05 ` Alan BRASLAU
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From: Robert Blackstone @ 2014-11-02 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 2 Nov 2014, at 12:00 , Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote
>
> I have the following sample:
>
> \setuppapersize[A6]
> \starttext
> \index{tipografía digital}
> \index{tipografías}
> \index{tomato white}
> \index{tomatoes red}
> \index{idioma+de un pasaje}
> \index{idioma+del documento}
> \completeindex
> \stoptext
>
> Latest beta from 2014.10.31 12:47 sorts the index entries the following way:
>
> tomatoes red
> tomato white
>
> Of course, this sample doesn’t make sense, but the entries in Spanish
> do. All of them are wrong sorted.
>
> Stable version from 2014.01.03 00:40. The different sorting criterium
> seems to have been introduced in beta from 2014.10.22 16:23.
>
> Or shouldn’t be the first word sorted first and then the second one in
> index entry?
>
> Could anyone be so kind to confirm the bug?
>
> Many thanks for your help,
>
>
> Pablo
Hi Pablo,
I cannot confirm any bug, but what I would do anyway is to force the sorting in whatever order I want by using
\index[]{} with the argument specifying the order.
So your example could be:
\starttext
\index[tipograf\'{i}adig]{tipograf\'{i}a digital}
\index[tipograf\'{i}as]{tipograf\'{i}as}
\index[idiomadeu]{idioma+de un pasaje}
\index[idiomadel]{idioma+del documento}
\completeindex
\stoptext
if you want tipografias digital before tipografias.
This works with all mkiv and mkii versions I have, including the ones that I installed today. I use it for a rather comlex three-level index and it works flawlessly (for me).
Best regards,
Robert Blackstone
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