Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Christoph Reller]

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Hi,

Why does \type{...} introduce spaces when used inside natural tables?

MWE:

\starttext
\type{\test\test} %<- no space introduced
\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD \typ{\test\test} \eTD \eTR %<- space introduced
\eTABLE
\stoptext

Kind Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Hans Hagen]

On 11/2/2014 2:27 PM, Christoph Reller wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Why does \type{...} introduce spaces when used inside natural tables?
>
> MWE:
>
> \starttext
> \type{\test\test} %<- no space introduced
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD \typ{\test\test} \eTD \eTR %<- space introduced
> \eTABLE
> \stoptext

it's the way tex works (when passing arguments) .. you can use this (and 
wikify it):

\definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]

\bTABLE
     \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test\test} \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE

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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Christoph Reller]

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On 11/5/2014 21:50 PM, Christoph Reller wrote:
> On 11/5/2014 10:28 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > On 11/5/2014 8:09 AM, Christoph Reller wrote:
> > > Thank you very much Hans!
> > >
> > > Maybe you could tell me why the following still produces a space in
> > > front of the full stop:
> > >
> > > \definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]
> > > \starttext
> > > \bTABLE
> > >    \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test.txt} \eTD \eTR
> > > \eTABLE
> > > \stoptext
> >
> > because the absolute cleaner only deals with \foo { and \foo [
> >
> > > If this issue is resolved I will be glad to wikify.
> >
> > i'll add the . to the filter criteria
>
> Thank you for the explanation.  I am not sure if it is a wise idea to add
> only "." (the full stop).  I tried the following characters, and they all
> are preceded by a space:
>
>   . - _ # % , ; @ !
>
> Basically, what I want is to write a file system path name such as
> C:\Path_to-my\file.ext.  The above characters are all valid file system
> characters.  Is there a better solution?  Or are you willing to add all
the
> above (maybe except for # and %) to the absolute cleaner?

For anybody interested in this: I have decided to resort to
\hyphenatedurl{...}. This means that I have to escape \ as \\, # as \# and
% as \letterpercent. Let me know if you have a better solution.

Christoph

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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Keith Schultz]

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hello all,

i do not have nfts, but there are assume users that do not live in western countries
and use characters that are not in ascii!!

just a thought.

regards
	Keith.


> Am 07.11.2014 um 14:44 schrieb Christoph Reller <christoph.reller@gmail.com>:
> 
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:11:09 +0100
> Alan Braslau <alan.braslau@cea.fr <mailto:alan.braslau@cea.fr>> wrote
> > On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:15:36 +0100
> > Christoph Reller <christoph.reller@gmail.com <mailto:christoph.reller@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > > Of the above characters the following are disallowed on NTFS
> > 
> > Not everyone uses NTFS.
> 
> Another reason for not making a "file-name cleaner" as such, but rather restricting the characters to ascii.


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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Christoph Reller]

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 09:11:09 +0100
Alan Braslau <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote
> On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:15:36 +0100
> Christoph Reller <christoph.reller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Of the above characters the following are disallowed on NTFS
>
> Not everyone uses NTFS.

Another reason for not making a "file-name cleaner" as such, but rather
restricting the characters to ascii.

Regards,
Christoph

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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 16:15:36 +0100
Christoph Reller <christoph.reller@gmail.com> wrote:

> Of the above characters the following are disallowed on NTFS

Not everyone uses NTFS.
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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Christoph Reller]

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On 11/6/2014 9:58 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> we could have a specific filename cleaner but of course there will be
> users who have paths that have spaces after the \ ... okay, we could
> just not support evil paths like that
>
> Hans

A rigorous filename cleaner would have to treat a huge number of possible
Unicodes. This is overkill. I believe the best would be to have a cleaner
for all ascii "symbols". That would fit most purposes of writing file names
and URIs:

  !#"$%&'*()+,-./:;<=>?@[\]^_`{|}~

Of the above characters the following are disallowed on NTFS:

  "*/:<>?|

Still I think they should be included in the cleaner. If % or # pose
problems then they may be omitted.

With the current "absolute"-cleaner, a space after \ is preserved
correctly, so I don't understand your comment:

\definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]\starttext
\bTABLE\bTR\bTD \ctype{\a\ b} \eTD\eTR\eTABLE\stoptext

I would be glad if you could implement such a "ascii-symbol"-cleaner.

Thanks,

Christoph

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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Hans Hagen]

On 11/5/2014 9:50 PM, Christoph Reller wrote:
> On 11/5/2014 10:28 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>  > On 11/5/2014 8:09 AM, Christoph Reller wrote:
>  > > Thank you very much Hans!
>  > >
>  > > Maybe you could tell me why the following still produces a space in
>  > > front of the full stop:
>  > >
>  > > \definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]
>  > > \starttext
>  > > \bTABLE
>  > >    \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test.txt} \eTD \eTR
>  > > \eTABLE
>  > > \stoptext
>  >
>  > because the absolute cleaner only deals with \foo { and \foo [
>  >
>  > > If this issue is resolved I will be glad to wikify.
>  >
>  > i'll add the . to the filter criteria
>
> Thank you for the explanation.  I am not sure if it is a wise idea to
> add only "." (the full stop).  I tried the following characters, and
> they all are preceded by a space:
>
>    . - _ # % , ; @ !
>
> Basically, what I want is to write a file system path name such as
> C:\Path_to-my\file.ext.  The above characters are all valid file system
> characters.  Is there a better solution?  Or are you willing to add all
> the above (maybe except for # and %) to the absolute cleaner?

we could have a specific filename cleaner but of course there will be 
users who have paths that have spaces after the \ ... okay, we could 
just not support evil paths like that

Hans

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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Christoph Reller]

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On 11/5/2014 10:28 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 11/5/2014 8:09 AM, Christoph Reller wrote:
> > Thank you very much Hans!
> >
> > Maybe you could tell me why the following still produces a space in
> > front of the full stop:
> >
> > \definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]
> > \starttext
> > \bTABLE
> >    \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test.txt} \eTD \eTR
> > \eTABLE
> > \stoptext
>
> because the absolute cleaner only deals with \foo { and \foo [
>
> > If this issue is resolved I will be glad to wikify.
>
> i'll add the . to the filter criteria

Thank you for the explanation.  I am not sure if it is a wise idea to add
only "." (the full stop).  I tried the following characters, and they all
are preceded by a space:

  . - _ # % , ; @ !

Basically, what I want is to write a file system path name such as
C:\Path_to-my\file.ext.  The above characters are all valid file system
characters.  Is there a better solution?  Or are you willing to add all the
above (maybe except for # and %) to the absolute cleaner?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Christoph

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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Hans Hagen]

On 11/5/2014 8:09 AM, Christoph Reller wrote:
>  > On 11/2/2014 2:27 PM, Christoph Reller wrote:
>  > > Hi,
>  > >
>  > > Why does \type{...} introduce spaces when used inside natural tables?
>  > >
>  > > MWE:
>  > >
>  > > \starttext
>  > > \type{\test\test} %<- no space introduced
>  > > \bTABLE
>  > > \bTR \bTD \typ{\test\test} \eTD \eTR %<- space introduced
>  > > \eTABLE
>  > > \stoptext
>  >
>  > it's the way tex works (when passing arguments) .. you can use this (and
>  > wikify it):
>  >
>  > \definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]
>  >
>  > \bTABLE
>  >      \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test\test} \eTD \eTR
>  > \eTABLE
>
> Thank you very much Hans!
>
> Maybe you could tell me why the following still produces a space in
> front of the full stop:
>
> \definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]
> \starttext
> \bTABLE
>    \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test.txt} \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
> \stoptext

because the absolute cleaner only deals with \foo { and \foo [

> If this issue is resolved I will be glad to wikify.

i'll add the . to the filter criteria

Hans

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Re: Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Christoph Reller]

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> On 11/2/2014 2:27 PM, Christoph Reller wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Why does \type{...} introduce spaces when used inside natural tables?
> >
> > MWE:
> >
> > \starttext
> > \type{\test\test} %<- no space introduced
> > \bTABLE
> > \bTR \bTD \typ{\test\test} \eTD \eTR %<- space introduced
> > \eTABLE
> > \stoptext
>
> it's the way tex works (when passing arguments) .. you can use this (and
> wikify it):
>
> \definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]
>
> \bTABLE
>      \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test\test} \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE

Thank you very much Hans!

Maybe you could tell me why the following still produces a space in front
of the full stop:

\definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]
\starttext
\bTABLE
  \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test.txt} \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE
\stoptext

If this issue is resolved I will be glad to wikify.

Regards,
Christoph

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Natural tables introduces spaces in \type

[Christoph Reller]

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On 11/2/2014 2:54 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 11/2/2014 2:27 PM, Christoph Reller wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Why does \type{...} introduce spaces when used inside natural tables?
> >
> > MWE:
> >
> > \starttext
> > \type{\test\test} %<- no space introduced
> > \bTABLE
> > \bTR \bTD \typ{\test\test} \eTD \eTR %<- space introduced
> > \eTABLE
> > \stoptext
>
> it's the way tex works (when passing arguments) .. you can use this (and
> wikify it):
>
> \definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]
>
> \bTABLE
>      \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test\test} \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE

Thank you very much Hans!

Maybe you could tell me why the following still produces a space in front
of the full stop:

\definetype[ctype][compact=absolute]
\starttext
\bTABLE
  \bTR \bTD \ctype{\test.txt} \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE
\stoptext

Any feedback is welcome.

Regards,
Christoph

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