Re: bibliography again: “von” and “van”

["Jörg Weger" <joerg73.muc@googlemail.com>]

Thank you very much, Hans.

I think I had tried something with double braces before (I use them also 
for German booktitles to keep upper and lowercase intact) but only now I 
got it working:

Writing both

“author = {{Johann Wolfgang von} Goethe}”

and

“author = {Goethe, {Johann Wolfgang von}}”

in the BibTeX are easy workarounds for the problem I was describing. I 
can happily live with that. In case a problem like that arises I will 
anyway first take a look at the according BibTeX entry.

Greetings Jörg

On 27.01.2015 21:50, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 1/27/2015 8:16 PM, Keith Schultz wrote:
>> Hi Jörg,
>>
>> Though, generally, the von, as well as a few others, are nobility
>> particles in Germany, but not necessarily always
>> noblility particles, but at times signify the place where a persons
>> ancestor came from!
>>
>> Now, in the case Goethe you are right that he was ennobled. Therefore
>> the von is not truly part of his name.
>> He should be listed as you rightly mentioned under Goethe and not "von
>> Goethe“.
>>
>> It is impossible for a bibliographic system to handle this, so there
>> is no switch for it!
>
> you can try to wrap thing that belong together in { } ... it might work
>
>> So, it is up to the author of a text to set up his entries properly,
>> by putting the von in the right part of the name field.
>
> indeed, not all can be catched in a poorly specified format
>
> btw, context loads the bib data in memory and fields of type author get
> split into multiple authors and each is split into parts; most magic is
> under our own control so we can always add variants if needed (maybe
> some prefix that indicates a german name or so) but anyway this whole
> von business is on our agenda
>
> Hans
>
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