Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[John Kitzmiller]

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> On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
> On 3/9/2015 8:11 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> Hans,
>> 
>> I’m afraid that the following sample crashes ConTeXt:
>> 
>>     \starttext
>>     \input knuth
>>     \stoptext
>> 
>> Error message is the following:
>> 
>> tex error       > error on line 1 in file /home/ousia/a.tex: ! Undefined
>> control sequence
>> 
>> 
>> \anch_backgrounds_text_initialize ...ositionsused
>>                                                   \enableparpositions
>> \donot...
>> <inserted text> ...erytopofpage \anch_backgrounds_text_initialize
>> 
>> \font_preloads_at_start_te...
>> \dostarttext ...ttext \relax \the \everystarttext
>>                                                   \global
>> \everystarttext \e...
>> l.1 \dostarttext
>> 
>> \ctxcommand #1->\directlua {commands.#1}
>> 
>> l.1 \starttext
>> 
>> Could you fix this?
> 
> it works here .. can others confirm the issue?
> 
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I just loaded up (2015.03.09 19:27) and get the same error as Pablo.

MacOSX?

—John


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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 03/09/2015 10:10 PM, John Kitzmiller wrote:
>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 3/9/2015 8:11 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>>> Hans,
>>>
>>> I’m afraid that the following sample crashes ConTeXt:
>>>
>>>     \starttext
>>>     \input knuth
>>>     \stoptext
>>> [...]
>>
>> it works here .. can others confirm the issue?
> 
> I just loaded up (2015.03.09 19:27) and get the same error as Pablo.

John,

it has fixed in latest beta from 2015.03.09 22:02.

> MacOSX?

No, Fedora Linux 20.


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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/9/2015 10:10 PM, John Kitzmiller wrote:

> I just loaded up (2015.03.09 19:27) and get the same error as Pablo.

patience ... betas take some time to get picked up in the garden

Hans

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Re: Bibliographies in mkiv - announcement and WARNING!

[Robert Blackstone]

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On 9 Mar 2015, at 21:28 , Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr>

> ANNOUNCEMENT

> We introduced into the core of MKIV a dataset subsystem, not
> necessarily limited to the generation of bibliographic lists. This new
> subsystem has been part of the distribution for some time and an early
> first draft of its documentation had been made available.
> 
> After putting the new system to heavy use in a real,
> bibliographic-intensive book project, and after much fighting
> back-and-forth over specifications and design choices, the upcoming
> beta standalone distribution will finally contain this completely
> revamped subsystem. 
> Hans and Alan (also with the help of Thomas and Luigi).
> 
Hi Alan and Hans,
Maybe it is a bit early to ask questions already about this new bibliography tool. But it really interests me and I do need it.

First of all, I compiled the ME and added a number of my own .bib entries and they all came out well. It looks as if I can just continue use my existing BibTex database in the new system and continue using BibDesk for new items, which is a very good thing. No need to generate .bbl’s separately. (Though I hope that ConTeXt will keep the possibility to process .bbl’s as before.)

My questions are:
1 The ME contains no setup, no indication of a particular Bibliography style. What comes out in the ME looks like apa. Are there style files connected with this system? If so are they accessible for tweaking (I need some rather uncommon Bibliography style, sort of apa-like but different in many details)?
2 The \cite-command turns out just some number in square brackets, no info on what is cited. Is that a bug?
3 In the old system I used \dcite[key] for footnotes but \dcite is not recognized now. Is there another way?

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone


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Re: Bibliographies in mkiv - announcement and WARNING!

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/11/2015 9:50 AM, Robert Blackstone wrote:
>
> On 9 Mar 2015, at 21:28 , Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr
> <mailto:alan.braslau@cea.fr>>
>
>> ANNOUNCEMENT
>
>> We introduced into the core of MKIV a dataset subsystem, not
>> necessarily limited to the generation of bibliographic lists. This new
>> subsystem has been part of the distribution for some time and an early
>> first draft of its documentation had been made available.
>>
>> After putting the new system to heavy use in a real,
>> bibliographic-intensive book project, and after much fighting
>> back-and-forth over specifications and design choices, the upcoming
>> beta standalone distribution will finally contain this completely
>> revamped subsystem.
>> Hans and Alan (also with the help of Thomas and Luigi).
>>
> Hi Alan and Hans,
> Maybe it is a bit early to ask questions already about this new
> bibliography tool. But it really interests me and I do need it.
>
> First of all, I compiled the ME and added a number of my own .bib
> entries and they all came out well. It looks as if I can just continue
> use my existing BibTex database in the new system and continue using
> BibDesk for new items, which is a very good thing. No need to generate
> .bbl’s separately. (Though I hope that ConTeXt will keep the possibility
> to process .bbl’s as before.)

you can load a bbl file and it will be converted into the internal 
format and can then be used, assuming the bbl is sane

> My questions are:
> 1 The ME contains no setup, no indication of a particular Bibliography
> style. What comes out in the ME looks like apa. Are there style files
> connected with this system? If so are they accessible for tweaking (I
> need some rather uncommon Bibliography style, sort of apa-like but
> different in many details)?

You need to load apa explicitly but there are some simple defaults for 
article, book and a few more.

When you roll out you rown you can do two things (will b eexplained in 
manual):

- copy the 'apa' files to 'foo' files
- replace all apa by foo
- tweak
- use foo

or

- define a new one foo
- that defaults to apa
- and only implment changes (with foo setups)

> 2 The \cite-command turns out just some number in square brackets, no
> info on what is cited. Is that a bug?

- it's the default cite rendering

> 3 In the old system I used \dcite[key] for footnotes but \dcite is not
> recognized now. Is there another way?

we are unware of such footnote commands but we do provide mathods to 
construct registers and such

upto Alan to explain more

Hans

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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[John Kitzmiller]

On Mar 9, 2015, Aditya wrote:
By any chance, is the name of your test file `knuth.tex`?

Aditya

Yes, 127 times yes! Sorry about that.

John
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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[John Kitzmiller]

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> On Mar 9, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
> i uploaded a new beta ... works at luigi's end (actually we tested that 
> previous time too but the issue is only triggered in docs that use 
> positions and tuc files remember that)
> 
> Hans

Now with current version: 2015.03.09 22:02 and 
\starttext
\input knuth
\stoptext

I get:

open source     > 3 > 4 > knuth.tex
open source     > 4 > 5 > knuth.tex
open source     > 5 > 6 > knuth.tex
...
open source     > 125 > 126 > knuth.tex
open source     > 126 > 127 > knuth.tex

tex error       > error on line 2 in file knuth.tex: ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [text input levels=127]

l.2 \input knuth
              

1     \starttext
2 >>  \input knuth
3     \stoptext
4     

If you really absolutely need more capacity,
you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.



No problem with \input ward \input zapf \input lorem


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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 9 Mar 2015, John Kitzmiller wrote:

>
>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>> i uploaded a new beta ... works at luigi's end (actually we tested that
>> previous time too but the issue is only triggered in docs that use
>> positions and tuc files remember that)
>>
>> Hans
>
> Now with current version: 2015.03.09 22:02 and
> \starttext
> \input knuth
> \stoptext
>
> I get:
>
> open source     > 3 > 4 > knuth.tex
> open source     > 4 > 5 > knuth.tex
> open source     > 5 > 6 > knuth.tex
> ...
> open source     > 125 > 126 > knuth.tex
> open source     > 126 > 127 > knuth.tex
>
> tex error       > error on line 2 in file knuth.tex: ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [text input levels=127]
>
> l.2 \input knuth
>
>
> 1     \starttext
> 2 >>  \input knuth
> 3     \stoptext
> 4
>
> If you really absolutely need more capacity,
> you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.
>
>
>
> No problem with \input ward \input zapf \input lorem

By any chance, is the name of your test file `knuth.tex`?

Aditya
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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi John,

Here on Mac OS X 10.10 verything works fine.
What OS are you using?

You may delete such auxiliary files as .tuc, and typeset again, or try your file in a new location where such files are absent.

Best regards: OK

> On 09 Mar 2015, at 22:38, John Kitzmiller <kitz@inradius.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> 
>> i uploaded a new beta ... works at luigi's end (actually we tested that 
>> previous time too but the issue is only triggered in docs that use 
>> positions and tuc files remember that)
>> 
>> Hans
> 
> Now with current version: 2015.03.09 22:02 and 
> \starttext
> \input knuth
> \stoptext
> 
> I get:
> 
> open source     > 3 > 4 > knuth.tex
> open source     > 4 > 5 > knuth.tex
> open source     > 5 > 6 > knuth.tex
> ...
> open source     > 125 > 126 > knuth.tex
> open source     > 126 > 127 > knuth.tex
> 
> tex error       > error on line 2 in file knuth.tex: ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [text input levels=127]
> 
> l.2 \input knuth
>               
> 
> 1     \starttext
> 2 >>  \input knuth
> 3     \stoptext
> 4     
> 
> If you really absolutely need more capacity,
> you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.
> 
> 
> 
> No problem with \input ward \input zapf \input lorem
> 
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crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Pablo Rodriguez]

Hans,

I’m afraid that the following sample crashes ConTeXt:

    \starttext
    \input knuth
    \stoptext

Error message is the following:

tex error       > error on line 1 in file /home/ousia/a.tex: ! Undefined
control sequence


\anch_backgrounds_text_initialize ...ositionsused
                                                  \enableparpositions
\donot...
<inserted text> ...erytopofpage \anch_backgrounds_text_initialize

\font_preloads_at_start_te...
\dostarttext ...ttext \relax \the \everystarttext
                                                  \global
\everystarttext \e...
l.1 \dostarttext

\ctxcommand #1->\directlua {commands.#1}

l.1 \starttext

Could you fix this?

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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/9/2015 8:11 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> Hans,
>
> I’m afraid that the following sample crashes ConTeXt:
>
>      \starttext
>      \input knuth
>      \stoptext
>
> Error message is the following:
>
> tex error       > error on line 1 in file /home/ousia/a.tex: ! Undefined
> control sequence
>
>
> \anch_backgrounds_text_initialize ...ositionsused
>                                                    \enableparpositions
> \donot...
> <inserted text> ...erytopofpage \anch_backgrounds_text_initialize
>
> \font_preloads_at_start_te...
> \dostarttext ...ttext \relax \the \everystarttext
>                                                    \global
> \everystarttext \e...
> l.1 \dostarttext
>
> \ctxcommand #1->\directlua {commands.#1}
>
> l.1 \starttext
>
> Could you fix this?

it works here .. can others confirm the issue?

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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On 03/09/2015 09:28 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> it works here .. can others confirm the issue?

Yes, I get the same error here.
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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Mikael P. Sundqvist]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> On 3/9/2015 8:11 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>>
>> Hans,
>>
>> I’m afraid that the following sample crashes ConTeXt:
>>
>>      \starttext
>>      \input knuth
>>      \stoptext
>>
>> Error message is the following:
>>
>> tex error       > error on line 1 in file /home/ousia/a.tex: ! Undefined
>> control sequence
>>
>>
>> \anch_backgrounds_text_initialize ...ositionsused
>>                                                    \enableparpositions
>> \donot...
>> <inserted text> ...erytopofpage \anch_backgrounds_text_initialize
>>
>> \font_preloads_at_start_te...
>> \dostarttext ...ttext \relax \the \everystarttext
>>                                                    \global
>> \everystarttext \e...
>> l.1 \dostarttext
>>
>> \ctxcommand #1->\directlua {commands.#1}
>>
>> l.1 \starttext
>>
>> Could you fix this?
>
>
> it works here .. can others confirm the issue?
>

I can confirm the problem. I get the same error. I updated an earlier
version, if that can be the problem.

/Mikael
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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 03/09/2015 09:28 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 3/9/2015 8:11 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> Hans,
>>
>> I’m afraid that the following sample crashes ConTeXt:
>>
>>      \starttext
>>      \input knuth
>>      \stoptext
>> [...]
> 
> it works here .. can others confirm the issue?

I know I cannot confirm the issue, but I reinstalled the ConTeXt Suite
from scratch and I still experience the same crash.


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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/9/2015 8:11 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> Hans,
>
> I’m afraid that the following sample crashes ConTeXt:
>
>      \starttext
>      \input knuth
>      \stoptext
>
> Error message is the following:
>
> tex error       > error on line 1 in file /home/ousia/a.tex: ! Undefined
> control sequence

i uploaded a new beta ... works at luigi's end (actually we tested that 
previous time too but the issue is only triggered in docs that use 
positions and tuc files remember that)

Hans

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Re: crash with new beta (2015.03.09 19:27)

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 03/09/2015 10:09 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 3/9/2015 8:11 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> Hans,
>>
>> I’m afraid that the following sample crashes ConTeXt:
>>
>>      \starttext
>>      \input knuth
>>      \stoptext
>>
>> Error message is the following:
>>
>> tex error       > error on line 1 in file /home/ousia/a.tex: ! Undefined
>> control sequence
> 
> i uploaded a new beta ... works at luigi's end (actually we tested that 
> previous time too but the issue is only triggered in docs that use 
> positions and tuc files remember that)

It works fine now, Hans.

Many thanks for your help,


Pablo
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