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* mkiv and lettrine
@ 2015-02-27 17:01 Gerben Wierda
  2015-03-01 10:39 ` Gerben Wierda
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I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv. I’d like to use lettrine here too.

\usemodule[lettrine]
\setuplettrine[Lines=3,
               Hang=.5,
               Oversize=0,
               Raise=0,
               Findent=0pt,
               Nindent=0em,
               Slope=0em,
               Ante=,
               FontHook=,
               TextFont=\sc,
               Image=no]

\lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system

What do I have to change for mkiv?

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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-02-27 17:01 mkiv and lettrine Gerben Wierda
@ 2015-03-01 10:39 ` Gerben Wierda
  2015-03-01 10:54   ` Hans Hagen
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Nobody?

On 27 Feb 2015, at 18:01, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote:

> I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv. I’d like to use lettrine here too.
> 
> \usemodule[lettrine]
> \setuplettrine[Lines=3,
>                Hang=.5,
>                Oversize=0,
>                Raise=0,
>                Findent=0pt,
>                Nindent=0em,
>                Slope=0em,
>                Ante=,
>                FontHook=,
>                TextFont=\sc,
>                Image=no]
> 
> \lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system
> 
> What do I have to change for mkiv?
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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-03-01 10:39 ` Gerben Wierda
@ 2015-03-01 10:54   ` Hans Hagen
  2015-03-01 21:43     ` Gerben Wierda
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-03-01 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3/1/2015 11:39 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> Nobody?
>
> On 27 Feb 2015, at 18:01, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl
> <mailto:gerben.wierda@rna.nl>> wrote:
>
>> I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv.
>> I’d like to use lettrine here too.
>>
>> \usemodule[lettrine]
>> \setuplettrine[Lines=3,
>>                Hang=.5,
>>                Oversize=0,
>>                Raise=0,
>>                Findent=0pt,
>>                Nindent=0em,
>>                Slope=0em,
>>                Ante=,
>>                FontHook=,
>>                TextFont=\sc,
>>                Image=no]
>>
>> \lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system
>>
>> What do I have to change for mkiv?

search for 'initials' (probably on the wiki somewhere) .. from the sources:

%D \starttyping
%D \placeinitial \input ward \par \input ward \par \placeinitial \input 
tufte
%D
%D \setupinitial
%D   [location=text,
%D    n=2,
%D    color=darkred,
%D    distance=-1em,
%D    hoffset=1em,
%D    voffset=-3ex,
%D    before=\blank]
%D
%D \placeinitial \input ward \par \input ward \placeinitial \input tufte

% \setupbodyfont[dejavu,9pt]
%
% \startbuffer
% \setinitial[two]            D. E. Knuth   \ignorespaces\input knuth \par
% \setinitial[two]                  Knuth   \ignorespaces\input knuth \par
% \setinitial[two] \quotation{D. E. Knuth}  \ignorespaces\input knuth \par
% \setinitial[two] \quotation      {Knuth}  \ignorespaces\input knuth \par
% \setinitial[two]      [text={D.E. Knuth}] \ignorespaces\input knuth \par
% \setinitial[two]       [m=4] D. E. Knuth  \ignorespaces\input knuth \par
% \stopbuffer
%
% \type{m=2}                          \start 
\defineinitial[two][m=2,method=none]              \getbuffer \page \stop
% \type{m=1,method=auto}              \start 
\defineinitial[two][m=1,method=auto]              \getbuffer \page \stop
% \type{m=1,method={auto,first,last}} \start 
\defineinitial[two][m=1,method={first,auto,last}] \getbuffer \page \stop


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>
>
>
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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-03-01 10:54   ` Hans Hagen
@ 2015-03-01 21:43     ` Gerben Wierda
  2015-03-10 10:38       ` Gerben Wierda
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-01 21:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 01 Mar 2015, at 11:54, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> On 3/1/2015 11:39 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>> Nobody?
>> 
>> On 27 Feb 2015, at 18:01, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl
>> <mailto:gerben.wierda@rna.nl>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv.
>>> I’d like to use lettrine here too.
>>> 
>>> \usemodule[lettrine]
>>> \setuplettrine[Lines=3,
>>>               Hang=.5,
>>>               Oversize=0,
>>>               Raise=0,
>>>               Findent=0pt,
>>>               Nindent=0em,
>>>               Slope=0em,
>>>               Ante=,
>>>               FontHook=,
>>>               TextFont=\sc,
>>>               Image=no]
>>> 
>>> \lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system
>>> 
>>> What do I have to change for mkiv?
> 
> search for 'initials' (probably on the wiki somewhere)

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Initials

Halfway down, lettrine for "if you need more options". But the given example does not work in mkiv

G


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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-03-01 21:43     ` Gerben Wierda
@ 2015-03-10 10:38       ` Gerben Wierda
  2015-03-10 11:03         ` Hans Hagen
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From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 10:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv?

G

On 01 Mar 2015, at 22:43, Gerben Wierda <Gerben.Wierda@rna.nl> wrote:

> On 01 Mar 2015, at 11:54, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/1/2015 11:39 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>>> Nobody?
>>> 
>>> On 27 Feb 2015, at 18:01, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl
>>> <mailto:gerben.wierda@rna.nl>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv.
>>>> I’d like to use lettrine here too.
>>>> 
>>>> \usemodule[lettrine]
>>>> \setuplettrine[Lines=3,
>>>>               Hang=.5,
>>>>               Oversize=0,
>>>>               Raise=0,
>>>>               Findent=0pt,
>>>>               Nindent=0em,
>>>>               Slope=0em,
>>>>               Ante=,
>>>>               FontHook=,
>>>>               TextFont=\sc,
>>>>               Image=no]
>>>> 
>>>> \lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system
>>>> 
>>>> What do I have to change for mkiv?
>> 
>> search for 'initials' (probably on the wiki somewhere)
> 
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Initials
> 
> Halfway down, lettrine for "if you need more options". But the given example does not work in mkiv
> 
> G
> 
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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-03-10 10:38       ` Gerben Wierda
@ 2015-03-10 11:03         ` Hans Hagen
  2015-03-10 17:11           ` Gerben Wierda
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-03-10 11:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on
> ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv?

there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*)

Hans


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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-03-10 11:03         ` Hans Hagen
@ 2015-03-10 17:11           ` Gerben Wierda
  2015-03-10 17:22             ` Gerben Wierda
  2015-03-10 17:35             ` luigi scarso
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From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:03, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>> Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on
>> ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv?
> 
> there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*)

And where are the test suites? They’re not part of the distribution.

G
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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-03-10 17:11           ` Gerben Wierda
@ 2015-03-10 17:22             ` Gerben Wierda
  2015-03-10 17:35             ` luigi scarso
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
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http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Test_suite links to https://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/contexttest/scmsvn/?action=AccessInfo which is a dead link. Most if not all links to supelec on that page are dead

On 10 Mar 2015, at 18:11, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote:

> On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:03, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> 
>> On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
>>> Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on
>>> ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv?
>> 
>> there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*)
> 
> And where are the test suites? They’re not part of the distribution.
> 
> G
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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-03-10 17:11           ` Gerben Wierda
  2015-03-10 17:22             ` Gerben Wierda
@ 2015-03-10 17:35             ` luigi scarso
  2015-03-10 21:51               ` Gerben Wierda
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From: luigi scarso @ 2015-03-10 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote:

> On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:03, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
> > On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> >> Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on
> >> ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv?
> >
> > there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*)
>
> And where are the test suites? They’re not part of the distribution.
>
>
http://www.pragma-ade.nl/context/latest/cont-tst.7z




-- 
luigi

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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-03-10 17:35             ` luigi scarso
@ 2015-03-10 21:51               ` Gerben Wierda
  2015-03-10 22:56                 ` Hans Hagen
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After studying that, I’ve been unable to find out how to do the following.

\starttext
\placeinitial {``L}{\kap{\bf et me}} tell you a little
story.\index{Wittgenstein+ice floor analogy} There was once a
young man who dreamed of reducing the world to pure logic. Because he was a
very clever young man, he actually managed to do it. When he had finished his
work, he stood back and admired it. It was beautiful! A world purged of
imperfection and indetermenency. Countless acres of gleaming ice stretching to
the horizon.  So the clever young man looked around the world he had created
and decided to explore it. He took one step forward and fell flat on his back.
You see, he had forgotten about friction! The ice was smooth and level and
stainless, but you couldn't walk there. So the clever young man sat down and
wept bitter tears. But as he grew into a wise old man, he came to understand
that roughness and ambiguity aren't imperfections, they are what make the
\stoptext

I’d like to
- Have ``L in the initial (quote mark + L)
- Have the initial a bit in the margin, but not fully
- Have the top of the initial not rise above the top of the first line

On 10 Mar 2015, at 18:35, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote:
> On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:03, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> 
> > On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> >> Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on
> >> ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv?
> >
> > there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*)
> 
> And where are the test suites? They’re not part of the distribution.
> 
> 
> http://www.pragma-ade.nl/context/latest/cont-tst.7z
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> luigi
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* Re: mkiv and lettrine
  2015-03-10 21:51               ` Gerben Wierda
@ 2015-03-10 22:56                 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-03-10 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3/10/2015 10:51 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote:
> After studying that, I’ve been unable to find out how to do the following.
>
> \starttext
> \placeinitial {``L}{\kap{\bf et me}} tell you a little
> story.\index{Wittgenstein+ice floor analogy} There was once a
> young man who dreamed of reducing the world to pure logic. Because he was a
> very clever young man, he actually managed to do it. When he had
> finished his
> work, he stood back and admired it. It was beautiful! A world purged of
> imperfection and indetermenency. Countless acres of gleaming ice
> stretching to
> the horizon.  So the clever young man looked around the world he had created
> and decided to explore it. He took one step forward and fell flat on his
> back.
> You see, he had forgotten about friction! The ice was smooth and level and
> stainless, but you couldn't walk there. So the clever young man sat down and
> wept bitter tears. But as he grew into a wise old man, he came to understand
> that roughness and ambiguity aren't imperfections, they are what make the
> \stoptext
>
> I’d like to
> - Have ``L in the initial (quote mark + L)
> - Have the initial a bit in the margin, but not fully
> - Have the top of the initial not rise above the top of the first line

\setupbodyfont[dejavu]

\starttext

\setupinitial[font=Bold cp 
\measure{initial:n},hoffset=2ex,voffset=1\lineheight,n=2,m=2,distance=-1ex]
\placeinitial `What is this. \input ward \par

\stoptext

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