From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/57525 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Saunders Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Microtype in ConTeXt Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:43:38 -0500 Message-ID: <54d7f5601003271043h1b9d0a4dxcfbdc45eddda5b3e@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269711833 6533 80.91.229.12 (27 Mar 2010 17:43:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Mar 27 18:43:48 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nva32-0000Ab-Jj for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:43:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D32C9D10; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:43:48 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ALFdsIv3FXSU; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:43:44 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0111CC9C8E; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:43:43 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD45C9C8E for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:43:42 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3UeDfEI+NMVa for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:43:40 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com (mail-gy0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0808BC9C35 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:43:39 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so3030802gyg.14 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:43:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:received:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4BnLQvY3ARpJOuv/wdgBA5F87OorbN+psIPONaEKZ9A=; b=AK3ZXen6lkVFM8DuJ4iPvyV64LQrkeorR2ETmSjv2VXMeqVNudzrRHziQtDYxU2peU H4w1RLWo0DKzKRs8YoBOWW1hu61zwPQTIuyMsGyQ9Ny0ciz1nUsgHc7jITsTVVGOEUF/ R7w0f41TRtb9v2761YkwICgr/IWD/cUNFeuG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NIt+xO1WLjnszQh0QvXpHALqAG5VQc57ViPiW/oBpTqzP3NNDylkTXkTc2IVNe0Zpy yZrRbPA3pCa3r15bctz95+2+AtgTJ4AHLZrvbYfxHUIcX2j+30EkmXKjbPNeSlIvWZOQ Zf1iBrOiIZjgqcbVU+0E8homvNkUKglHMY2+g= Original-Received: by 10.100.10.11 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.101.210.15 with SMTP id m15mr4380251anq.44.1269711819050; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:43:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:57525 Archived-At: > On 27-3-2010 1:15, Yan Zhou wrote: > >> As I can see now ConTeXt is indeed a far more advanced system than LaTeX. But I have one more query. Where can I find the documents. When following these replies and some other messages in the list, I find some commands not documented in the Manual or Reference Manual. In LaTeX, all commands are detailed documented in source2e.tex, in TeX, The TeXBook explains everything. So in ConTeXt, where can I find such detailed documents. I tried the documented source, but it is more like a PDF version or source with only a little documentation. > > as most of the functrionality does not change you can use older docs > (website, wiki etc) for most cases > > newer things i.e. introduced in mkiv using luatex are described in for > instance mk.pdf and articles > > of course the wiki is a good source as well Notice that Yan Zhou isn't complaining that the docs are old. Our problem is that they are sketchy and rambling, bits and pieces of this and that without any systematic explanations. Often they are just some unexplained code samples that communicate nothing (unless you happen to be the guy who invented the language). I can't think of one command that is fully explained along with all its possible parameters. The wiki is better written, but even less complete. It might not be possible to do better, but this is a huge obstacle to anyone who actually wants to use ConTeXt. The docs hint at a lot of features that sound better than LaTeX, but actually getting them to work is a different story. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________