Line breaks, \wordright and hyphenation

Line breaks, \wordright and hyphenation

[kauśika cittūr via ntg-context]

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Dear list,

In short, my question is: why does \wordright cause a line-break when the line 
preceding it breaks with hyphenation and does not otherwise? How to avoid it 
(if at all possible)?

I have this delimitedtext instance called 'amnata' defined as below:

\definemeasure[amnatamargin][3cm]
\definedelimitedtext
  [amnata]
\setupdelimitedtext
  [amnata]
  [
	left=,
	right=,
	leftmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
	rightmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
  ]

I am using this to quote paragraph(s) of other authors. 
Since, I also want to indicate where the quote is from, I use this as follows:

\startamnata
  ⋮
\wordright{author}
\stopamnata

so that the author's name appears at the right-edge of the block.

When the penultimate line inside the block breaks without hyphenation, then 
argument of \wordright is typeset as expected (i.e. in the same line).

On the other hand, when the penultimate line inside this block breaks with 
hyphenation, the argument of \wordright is pushed to the next line even when 
there is enough space for it on the same line.

Here is a sample illustrating this:

\startamnata
A quote from another author : Suppose that thereisalongwordhere.
\wordright{– author}
\stopamnata

\startamnata
A quote from another author : Here, the text does not cause 
hyphenation in the first line.
\wordright{– author}
\stopamnata

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How do I ensure that this does not happen, if that is possible at all? I 
suppose this is expected behaviour but I am not able to understand why.

Thanks,
kauśika

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Re: Line breaks, \wordright and hyphenation

[kauśika cittūr via ntg-context]

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On Sunday, October 24, 2021 7:42:59 AM IST kauśika cittūr wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> In short, my question is: why does \wordright cause a line-break when the
> line preceding it breaks with hyphenation and does not otherwise? How to
> avoid it (if at all possible)?
> 
> I have this delimitedtext instance called 'amnata' defined as below:
> 
> \definemeasure[amnatamargin][3cm]
> \definedelimitedtext
>   [amnata]
> \setupdelimitedtext
>   [amnata]
>   [
> 	left=,
> 	right=,
> 	leftmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
> 	rightmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
>   ]
> 
> I am using this to quote paragraph(s) of other authors.
> Since, I also want to indicate where the quote is from, I use this as
> follows:
> 
> \startamnata
>   ⋮
> \wordright{author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> so that the author's name appears at the right-edge of the block.
> 
> When the penultimate line inside the block breaks without hyphenation, then
> argument of \wordright is typeset as expected (i.e. in the same line).
> 
> On the other hand, when the penultimate line inside this block breaks with
> hyphenation, the argument of \wordright is pushed to the next line even when
> there is enough space for it on the same line.
> 
> Here is a sample illustrating this:
> 
> \startamnata
> A quote from another author : Suppose that thereisalongwordhere.
> \wordright{– author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> \startamnata
> A quote from another author : Here, the text does not cause
> hyphenation in the first line.
> \wordright{– author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> [I have attached the output here as an image]
> 
> How do I ensure that this does not happen, if that is possible at all? I
> suppose this is expected behaviour but I am not able to understand why.
> 
> Thanks,
> kauśika

Just noticed that the attachment image does not seem to have been sent.
Resending …

kauśika

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Re: Line breaks, \wordright and hyphenation

[kauśika cittūr via ntg-context]

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 7:42:59 AM IST kauśika cittūr wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> In short, my question is: why does \wordright cause a line-break when the
> line preceding it breaks with hyphenation and does not otherwise? How to
> avoid it (if at all possible)?
> 
> I have this delimitedtext instance called 'amnata' defined as below:
> 
> \definemeasure[amnatamargin][3cm]
> \definedelimitedtext
>   [amnata]
> \setupdelimitedtext
>   [amnata]
>   [
> 	left=,
> 	right=,
> 	leftmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
> 	rightmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
>   ]
> 
> I am using this to quote paragraph(s) of other authors.
> Since, I also want to indicate where the quote is from, I use this as
> follows:
> 
> \startamnata
>   ⋮
> \wordright{author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> so that the author's name appears at the right-edge of the block.
> 
> When the penultimate line inside the block breaks without hyphenation, then
> argument of \wordright is typeset as expected (i.e. in the same line).
> 
> On the other hand, when the penultimate line inside this block breaks with
> hyphenation, the argument of \wordright is pushed to the next line even when
> there is enough space for it on the same line.
> 
> Here is a sample illustrating this:
> 
> \startamnata
> A quote from another author : Suppose that thereisalongwordhere.
> \wordright{– author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> \startamnata
> A quote from another author : Here, the text does not cause
> hyphenation in the first line.
> \wordright{– author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> [I have attached the output here as an image]
> 
> How do I ensure that this does not happen, if that is possible at all? I
> suppose this is expected behaviour but I am not able to understand why.
> 
> Thanks,
> kauśika

Dear list,

Although, not a fix for the issue, here is a workaround that allowed me to 
achieve what I wanted:

\definedescription[amnata]
\setupdescription[amnata]
  [closesymbol={​},
   closecommand=\wordright,
   before=\startamnatanarrower,
   after=\stopamnatanarrower]

\startamnata
A quote from another author : Suppose that thereisalongwordhere.
\wordright{– author}
\stopamnata

With this the argument of \wordright appears correctly at the right-edge of 
the block. Note that this does not work (as expected) when closesymbol is not 
set (or, is empty). Therefore, here I have set closesymbol={​​U+200B}, which 
is the zero width space.

Thanks,
kauśika


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Re: [Solved] Line breaks, \wordright and hyphenation

[kauśika cittūr via ntg-context]

On Monday, October 25, 2021 7:34:06 AM IST kauśika cittūr wrote:
> On Sunday, October 24, 2021 7:42:59 AM IST kauśika cittūr wrote:
> > Dear list,
> > 
> > In short, my question is: why does \wordright cause a line-break when the
> > line preceding it breaks with hyphenation and does not otherwise? How to
> > avoid it (if at all possible)?
> > 
> > I have this delimitedtext instance called 'amnata' defined as below:
> > 
> > \definemeasure[amnatamargin][3cm]
> > \definedelimitedtext
> > 
> >   [amnata]
> > 
> > \setupdelimitedtext
> > 
> >   [amnata]
> >   [
> > 	
> > 	left=,
> > 	right=,
> > 	leftmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
> > 	rightmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
> > 	
> >   ]
> > 
> > I am using this to quote paragraph(s) of other authors.
> > Since, I also want to indicate where the quote is from, I use this as
> > follows:
> > 
> > \startamnata
> > 
> >   ⋮
> > 
> > \wordright{author}
> > \stopamnata
> > 
> > so that the author's name appears at the right-edge of the block.
> > 
> > When the penultimate line inside the block breaks without hyphenation,
> > then
> > argument of \wordright is typeset as expected (i.e. in the same line).
> > 
> > On the other hand, when the penultimate line inside this block breaks with
> > hyphenation, the argument of \wordright is pushed to the next line even
> > when there is enough space for it on the same line.
> > 
> > Here is a sample illustrating this:
> > 
> > \startamnata
> > A quote from another author : Suppose that thereisalongwordhere.
> > \wordright{– author}
> > \stopamnata
> > 
> > \startamnata
> > A quote from another author : Here, the text does not cause
> > hyphenation in the first line.
> > \wordright{– author}
> > \stopamnata
> > 
> > [I have attached the output here as an image]
> > 
> > How do I ensure that this does not happen, if that is possible at all? I
> > suppose this is expected behaviour but I am not able to understand why.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > kauśika
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> Although, not a fix for the issue, here is a workaround that allowed me to
> achieve what I wanted:
> 
> \definedescription[amnata]
> \setupdescription[amnata]
>   [closesymbol={​},
>    closecommand=\wordright,
>    before=\startamnatanarrower,
>    after=\stopamnatanarrower]
> 
> \startamnata
> A quote from another author : Suppose that thereisalongwordhere.
> \wordright{– author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> With this the argument of \wordright appears correctly at the right-edge of
> the block. Note that this does not work (as expected) when closesymbol is
> not set (or, is empty). Therefore, here I have set closesymbol={​​U+200B},
> which is the zero width space.
> 
> Thanks,
> kauśika

Dear list,

As it turns out, my workaround here is subpar since it inserts an undesired 
line after the description block.

Hans was very kind to send me a fix to place in cont-new.mkxl that fixes the 
issue. However, due to my errors in properly pasting the fix correctly, it did 
not work. I updated LMTX today and the fix is already merged.

I am pasting below Hans' fix for reference (for anyone who might come across 
this later) –

\protect
\protected\def\spac_word_right_indeed#1#2%
  {\registerparwrapper
     {\v!word:\v!right}
     {\begingroup
      \frozen\parfillskip        \zeropoint
      \frozen\finalhyphendemerits\zerocount
      \endgroup}
     {\doifelseparwrapper{\v!word:\v!right}{\unregisterparwrapper{\v!word:\v!
right}}\donothing
      \removeunwantedspaces
      \doifelse{#1}\v!right{\kern-\rightskip}{\doifsomething{#1}{\kern-#1}}%
      \hfilll
      \discretionary{\strut}{\strut}{\strut}% \allowbreak % changed back from 
\hskip\zeropoint
      \hfilll
      \quad % decent spacing
      #2}}
\unprotect

kauśika


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Re: Line breaks, \wordright and hyphenation

[Benjamin Buchmuller via ntg-context]

Maybe 

\hfill author

?

> On 24. Oct 2021, at 04:12, kauśika cittūr <citturs@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> In short, my question is: why does \wordright cause a line-break when the line 
> preceding it breaks with hyphenation and does not otherwise? How to avoid it 
> (if at all possible)?
> 
> I have this delimitedtext instance called 'amnata' defined as below:
> 
> \definemeasure[amnatamargin][3cm]
> \definedelimitedtext
>  [amnata]
> \setupdelimitedtext
>  [amnata]
>  [
>    left=,
>    right=,
>    leftmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
>    rightmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
>  ]
> 
> I am using this to quote paragraph(s) of other authors. 
> Since, I also want to indicate where the quote is from, I use this as follows:
> 
> \startamnata
>  ⋮
> \wordright{author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> so that the author's name appears at the right-edge of the block.
> 
> When the penultimate line inside the block breaks without hyphenation, then 
> argument of \wordright is typeset as expected (i.e. in the same line).
> 
> On the other hand, when the penultimate line inside this block breaks with 
> hyphenation, the argument of \wordright is pushed to the next line even when 
> there is enough space for it on the same line.
> 
> Here is a sample illustrating this:
> 
> \startamnata
> A quote from another author : Suppose that thereisalongwordhere.
> \wordright{– author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> \startamnata
> A quote from another author : Here, the text does not cause 
> hyphenation in the first line.
> \wordright{– author}
> \stopamnata
> 
> [I have attached the output here as an image] 
> 
> How do I ensure that this does not happen, if that is possible at all? I 
> suppose this is expected behaviour but I am not able to understand why.
> 
> Thanks,
> kauśika
> <sample-output.png>
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Re: Line breaks, \wordright and hyphenation

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 10/24/2021 1:08 PM, Benjamin Buchmuller via ntg-context wrote:
> Maybe
> 
> \hfill author

It's anyway nicer to use

% \definenarrower
%   [amnata]
%   [left=\measure{amnatamargin},
%    right=\measure{amnatamargin},
%    default={left,right}]

\definenarrower
   [amnata]
   [middle=\measure{amnatamargin}]

but then them, the fact that we get something hyphenated interferes .. 
tricky

>> On 24. Oct 2021, at 04:12, kauśika cittūr <citturs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear list,
>>
>> In short, my question is: why does \wordright cause a line-break when the line
>> preceding it breaks with hyphenation and does not otherwise? How to avoid it
>> (if at all possible)?
>>
>> I have this delimitedtext instance called 'amnata' defined as below:
>>
>> \definemeasure[amnatamargin][3cm]
>> \definedelimitedtext
>>   [amnata]
>> \setupdelimitedtext
>>   [amnata]
>>   [
>>     left=,
>>     right=,
>>     leftmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
>>     rightmargin={\measure{amnatamargin}},
>>   ]
>>
>> I am using this to quote paragraph(s) of other authors.
>> Since, I also want to indicate where the quote is from, I use this as follows:
>>
>> \startamnata
>>   ⋮
>> \wordright{author}
>> \stopamnata
>>
>> so that the author's name appears at the right-edge of the block.
>>
>> When the penultimate line inside the block breaks without hyphenation, then
>> argument of \wordright is typeset as expected (i.e. in the same line).
>>
>> On the other hand, when the penultimate line inside this block breaks with
>> hyphenation, the argument of \wordright is pushed to the next line even when
>> there is enough space for it on the same line.
>>
>> Here is a sample illustrating this:
>>
>> \startamnata
>> A quote from another author : Suppose that thereisalongwordhere.
>> \wordright{– author}
>> \stopamnata
>>
>> \startamnata
>> A quote from another author : Here, the text does not cause
>> hyphenation in the first line.
>> \wordright{– author}
>> \stopamnata
>>
>> [I have attached the output here as an image]
>>
>> How do I ensure that this does not happen, if that is possible at all? I
>> suppose this is expected behaviour but I am not able to understand why.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> kauśika
>> <sample-output.png>
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Re: Line breaks, \wordright and hyphenation

[kauśika cittūr via ntg-context]

On Sunday, October 24, 2021 5:31:32 PM IST Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 10/24/2021 1:08 PM, Benjamin Buchmuller via ntg-context wrote:
> > Maybe
> > 
> > \hfill author
> 
> It's anyway nicer to use
> 
> % \definenarrower
> %   [amnata]
> %   [left=\measure{amnatamargin},
> %    right=\measure{amnatamargin},
> %    default={left,right}]
> 
> \definenarrower
>    [amnata]
>    [middle=\measure{amnatamargin}]
> 
> but then them, the fact that we get something hyphenated interferes ..
> tricky

Dear Benjamin and Hans,

Thanks for your responses.

I did not mention this in my initial question but I am not exactly doing 
'author' in the last line. Instead I usually do
\cite[alternative=authoryears,righttext={Ch. 12}][author1992].
That is, almost always, I need to refer to a specific chapter/page number in 
the work. The issue with this and \hfill is that the 'righttext' part gets 
nudged into the next line.

Sreeram


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