Re: body text invades space for notes

[Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>]

On 2/18/20 11:17 AM, Philipp A. wrote:
> For me it’s even worse (in mkiv), a paragraph of body text completely
> overlaps my footnote.
>
> Where are the bottom notes placed? In the footer? Or how does it work?
> How to debug it?

Hi Philipp,

I’m afraid that this misbehaviour is caused by the use of lists in the
same page.

Even not using lists, the space before seems not to be honored when
using \setupnote[footnote].

Note handling seems to have been improved in both LMTX and MkIV. A
side-effect of this new handling is the random clash between body and
notes texts when using lists in the same page.

BTW, foonotes cannot be placed in the footer.

    \showframe\showgrid
    \setuppapersize[A9]
    \starttext
    \dorecurse{3}{%
        text\footnote{note}\\}
    \stoptext

Sorry, but I’m afraid that I don’t know any way of debugging it.

Pablo


> Am Sa., 14. Dez. 2019 um 19:41 Uhr schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
>
>     Dear list,
>
>     I’m afraid to admit that ConTeXt notes are increasily problematic for
>     me. I don’t think this is special to me and I hope we can discuss the
>     general issue.
>
>     Bottom notes are somewhat tricky in ConTeXt. The user expects that these
>     notes (either footnotes, or linenotes) aren’t moved to the next page. I
>     mean, no reader expects to find a full footnote in the next page from
>     the one that calls it. (At least, I have never seen that in any book
>     read or paged through.)
>
>     There may be good reasons for that, but ConTeXt doesn’t enable this by
>     default. Both options "split=verystrict" and "scope=text" have to be
>     used in "\setupnote".
>
>     This translated in wrong space before notes when paragraph form was
>     used. I was very interested to use these (line)notes for critical
>     editions, but sometimes the text run into the notes. I’m afraid that
>     left linenotes extremely problematic to be used.
>
>     With the arrival of LMTX, space before footnotes is more problematic
>     than before. No paragraph notes, see the attached sample (wrong-6.png).
>     In other cases, ConTeXt seems to ignore totally that the page bottom
>     contains footnotes.
>
>     I cannot provide minimal samples. Consider that if it were so easy to
>     reproduce, problably the issue would have been gone long ago.
>
>     Even when one avoids the problematic bottom partition (which I did in
>     that case by removing the "before" option from "\setupnote[footnote]"),
>     there is clearly an issue with the footnote having its space before
>     remaining blank from the body text (wrong-2.png).
>
>     My first question is why the bottom notes have problems to preserve the
>     space before them (and simultaneously remain in the same page where they
>     come from). This applies also for paragraph notes.
>
>     My second question is what can be improved to achieve what may be
>     considered as a basic typographic feature.
>
>     Sorry for not providing more than output samples. Bear with me. I may
>     not be an expert user, but I think I’m a frequent ConTeXt user. And I
>     don’t think it is totally wrong to consider this a basic feature that
>     needs to be improved.
>
>     Many thanks for your help in advance,
>
>     Pablo



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