em-/en-dashes and newotf

em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Pablo Rodriguez]

Hans,

with the following sample:

    \usemodule[newotf]

    %~ \setupbodyfont
        %~ [palatino]

    \starttext
    --- em--dash (with en--dash inside)
    \stoptext

I discovered that em- and en-dashes aren’t enabled by default.

Is this intended?

Many thanks for your help,


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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/11/2015 5:09 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> Hans,
>
> with the following sample:
>
>      \usemodule[newotf]
>
>      %~ \setupbodyfont
>          %~ [palatino]
>
>      \starttext
>      --- em--dash (with en--dash inside)
>      \stoptext
>
> I discovered that em- and en-dashes aren’t enabled by default.
>
> Is this intended?

works ok here

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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Rik Kabel]

On 2015-07-11 17:30, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 7/11/2015 5:09 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> Hans,
>>
>> with the following sample:
>>
>>      \usemodule[newotf]
>>
>>      %~ \setupbodyfont
>>          %~ [palatino]
>>
>>      \starttext
>>      --- em--dash (with en--dash inside)
>>      \stoptext
>>
>> I discovered that em- and en-dashes aren’t enabled by default.
>>
>> Is this intended?
>
> works ok here
>
Hmmm. Fails here with newotf, works without. Context 2015.07.10T00:05 on 
Win 8.1 64-bit, with and without jit.

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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/11/2015 11:55 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> On 2015-07-11 17:30, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 7/11/2015 5:09 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>>> Hans,
>>> [...]
>>> I discovered that em- and en-dashes aren’t enabled by default.
>>>
>>> Is this intended?
>>
>> works ok here
>>
> Hmmm. Fails here with newotf, works without. Context 2015.07.10T00:05 on 
> Win 8.1 64-bit, with and without jit.

Hans,

I’m afraid it still falis with beta from 2015.07.12 00:00, the same way
as Rik described.

May the different behaviour caused by the fact that you use
LuaTeX-0.80.1 (as displayed in
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf) and we have
LuaTeX-0.80?


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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/12/2015 6:55 AM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 07/11/2015 11:55 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>> On 2015-07-11 17:30, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> On 7/11/2015 5:09 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>>>> Hans,
>>>> [...]
>>>> I discovered that em- and en-dashes aren’t enabled by default.
>>>>
>>>> Is this intended?
>>>
>>> works ok here
>>>
>> Hmmm. Fails here with newotf, works without. Context 2015.07.10T00:05 on
>> Win 8.1 64-bit, with and without jit.
>
> Hans,
>
> I’m afraid it still falis with beta from 2015.07.12 00:00, the same way
> as Rik described.
>
> May the different behaviour caused by the fact that you use
> LuaTeX-0.80.1 (as displayed in
> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf) and we have
> LuaTeX-0.80?

i can't imagine .. can you wipe the cache files

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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/12/2015 11:33 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 7/12/2015 6:55 AM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> [...]
>> May the different behaviour caused by the fact that you use
>> LuaTeX-0.80.1 (as displayed in
>> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf) and we have
>> LuaTeX-0.80?
> 
> i can't imagine .. can you wipe the cache files

I do it everytime I update the beta. But I did it again. I even
installed the Suite from scratch.

I’m afraid none of them worked.


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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/12/2015 12:49 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 07/12/2015 11:33 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 7/12/2015 6:55 AM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> May the different behaviour caused by the fact that you use
>>> LuaTeX-0.80.1 (as displayed in
>>> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf) and we have
>>> LuaTeX-0.80?
>>
>> i can't imagine .. can you wipe the cache files
>
> I do it everytime I update the beta. But I did it again. I even
> installed the Suite from scratch.
>
> I’m afraid none of them worked.

maybe some file is not loaded ... i uploaded a variant that might work 
better

Hans

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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/12/2015 04:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> [...]
> maybe some file is not loaded ... i uploaded a variant that might work 
> better

Many thanks for the new beta.

I’m afraid that this sample doesn’t work with latest beta either:

    \usemodule[newotf]

    \definefontfeature[noliga][liga=no]

    \starttext
    \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
    fiflff no--liga:
    \addfeature[noliga]fiflff

    --- em--dash
    \stopTEXpage
    \stoptext

I may be wrong, but I think that the non-deactivated OpenType feature is
related to the non-activated em- and en-dashes.

To the list members: could you test the sample above and tell em- and
en-dashes work and if no-liga disables ligatures? Adding architecture
may help.

I’m on Linux 32bits.

Many thanks for your help,


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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Axel Kielhorn]

> Am 12.07.2015 um 16:38 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>:
> 
> On 07/12/2015 04:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> [...]
>> maybe some file is not loaded ... i uploaded a variant that might work 
>> better
> 
> Many thanks for the new beta.
> 
> I’m afraid that this sample doesn’t work with latest beta either:
> 
>    \usemodule[newotf]
> 
>    \definefontfeature[noliga][liga=no]
> 
>    \starttext
>    \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
>    fiflff no--liga:
>    \addfeature[noliga]fiflff
> 
>    --- em--dash
>    \stopTEXpage
>    \stoptext
> 
> I may be wrong, but I think that the non-deactivated OpenType feature is
> related to the non-activated em- and en-dashes.
> 
> To the list members: could you test the sample above and tell em- and
> en-dashes work and if no-liga disables ligatures? Adding architecture
> may help.

I’m using 
current version: 2015.07.12 00:00
on MacOSX 10.10

I get ligatures in both cases and neither em nor en dash.

Now I have
current version: 2015.07.12 15:40
still on MacOSX 10.10

No ligatures in the second case and both en and em dash.

Axel


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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Pablo,

On my installation everything seems to work fine: Context version 2015.07.12 15:40
Please see the attached file.

Best regards: OK




> On 12 Jul 2015, at 11:38, Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:
> 
> On 07/12/2015 04:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> [...]
>> maybe some file is not loaded ... i uploaded a variant that might work 
>> better
> 
> Many thanks for the new beta.
> 
> I’m afraid that this sample doesn’t work with latest beta either:
> 
>    \usemodule[newotf]
> 
>    \definefontfeature[noliga][liga=no]
> 
>    \starttext
>    \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
>    fiflff no--liga:
>    \addfeature[noliga]fiflff
> 
>    --- em--dash
>    \stopTEXpage
>    \stoptext
> 
> I may be wrong, but I think that the non-deactivated OpenType feature is
> related to the non-activated em- and en-dashes.
> 
> To the list members: could you test the sample above and tell em- and
> en-dashes work and if no-liga disables ligatures? Adding architecture
> may help.
> 
> I’m on Linux 32bits.
> 
> Many thanks for your help,
> 
> 
> Pablo
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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/12/2015 05:04 PM, Axel Kielhorn wrote:
>> Am 12.07.2015 um 16:38 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
>> [...]
>> To the list members: could you test the sample above and tell em- and
>> en-dashes work and if no-liga disables ligatures? Adding architecture
>> may help.
> 
> I’m using 
> current version: 2015.07.12 00:00
> on MacOSX 10.10
> 
> I get ligatures in both cases and neither em nor en dash.
> 
> Now I have
> current version: 2015.07.12 15:40
> still on MacOSX 10.10
> 
> No ligatures in the second case and both en and em dash.

Many thanks for your reply, Axel.

For some strange reason I also get ligatures with latest beta from
2015.07.12 15:40 (which I shouldn’t get).

Everything works as expected when commenting \usemodule[newotf].


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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/12/2015 05:17 PM, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> On my installation everything seems to work fine: Context
> version 2015.07.12 15:40

Hi Otared,

many thanks for your reply.

Which is your OS and architecture?

Many thanks again,


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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/12/2015 5:27 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 07/12/2015 05:17 PM, Otared Kavian wrote:
>> Hi Pablo,
>>
>> On my installation everything seems to work fine: Context
>> version 2015.07.12 15:40
>
> Hi Otared,
>
> many thanks for your reply.
>
> Which is your OS and architecture?

you use m-newotf from the distribution?

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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/12/2015 05:57 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 7/12/2015 5:27 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> [...]
>> Hi Otared,
>>
>> many thanks for your reply.
>>
>> Which is your OS and architecture?
> 
> you use m-newotf from the distribution?

I use the one installed after updating the beta.

I have just checked it and it differs from the one you sent to the
mailing list.


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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Rik Kabel]

On 2015-07-12 10:38, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 07/12/2015 04:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> [...]
>> maybe some file is not loaded ... i uploaded a variant that might work
>> better
> Many thanks for the new beta.
>
> I’m afraid that this sample doesn’t work with latest beta either:
>
>      \usemodule[newotf]
>
>      \definefontfeature[noliga][liga=no]
>
>      \starttext
>      \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
>      fiflff no--liga:
>      \addfeature[noliga]fiflff
>
>      --- em--dash
>      \stopTEXpage
>      \stoptext
>
> I may be wrong, but I think that the non-deactivated OpenType feature is
> related to the non-activated em- and en-dashes.
>
> To the list members: could you test the sample above and tell em- and
> en-dashes work and if no-liga disables ligatures? Adding architecture
> may help.
>
> I’m on Linux 32bits.
>
> Many thanks for your help,
>
>
> Pablo
Same result as Pablo: the ligatures remain even with liga=no, and the 
hyphens are not replaced by appropriate dashes. Win64 8.1 with ConTeXt 
2015.07.12 15:40 build and LuaTeX 0.80.1 rev 5274. My texmf-local 
contains only a locally-updated version of t-smartref.mkvi.

I also have other problems with newotf and definefontfeature that I will 
put in a separate message.

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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/12/2015 6:42 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> On 2015-07-12 10:38, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> On 07/12/2015 04:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> maybe some file is not loaded ... i uploaded a variant that might work
>>> better
>> Many thanks for the new beta.
>>
>> I’m afraid that this sample doesn’t work with latest beta either:
>>
>>      \usemodule[newotf]
>>
>>      \definefontfeature[noliga][liga=no]
>>
>>      \starttext
>>      \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
>>      fiflff no--liga:
>>      \addfeature[noliga]fiflff
>>
>>      --- em--dash
>>      \stopTEXpage
>>      \stoptext
>>
>> I may be wrong, but I think that the non-deactivated OpenType feature is
>> related to the non-activated em- and en-dashes.
>>
>> To the list members: could you test the sample above and tell em- and
>> en-dashes work and if no-liga disables ligatures? Adding architecture
>> may help.
>>
>> I’m on Linux 32bits.
>>
>> Many thanks for your help,
>>
>>
>> Pablo
> Same result as Pablo: the ligatures remain even with liga=no, and the
> hyphens are not replaced by appropriate dashes. Win64 8.1 with ConTeXt
> 2015.07.12 15:40 build and LuaTeX 0.80.1 rev 5274. My texmf-local
> contains only a locally-updated version of t-smartref.mkvi.
>
> I also have other problems with newotf and definefontfeature that I will
> put in a separate message.

i just checked the distribution on a vm and it works ok so best first 
figure out why the tex ligs don't show up (when that relevant file is 
not loaded well other overloads might also fail so that can be the 
reason then for other issues)

Hans

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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Rik Kabel]

On 2015-07-12 12:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 7/12/2015 6:42 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>> On 2015-07-12 10:38, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>>> On 07/12/2015 04:12 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> maybe some file is not loaded ... i uploaded a variant that might work
>>>> better
>>> Many thanks for the new beta.
>>>
>>> I’m afraid that this sample doesn’t work with latest beta either:
>>>
>>>      \usemodule[newotf]
>>>
>>>      \definefontfeature[noliga][liga=no]
>>>
>>>      \starttext
>>>      \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
>>>      fiflff no--liga:
>>>      \addfeature[noliga]fiflff
>>>
>>>      --- em--dash
>>>      \stopTEXpage
>>>      \stoptext
>>>
>>> I may be wrong, but I think that the non-deactivated OpenType 
>>> feature is
>>> related to the non-activated em- and en-dashes.
>>>
>>> To the list members: could you test the sample above and tell em- and
>>> en-dashes work and if no-liga disables ligatures? Adding architecture
>>> may help.
>>>
>>> I’m on Linux 32bits.
>>>
>>> Many thanks for your help,
>>>
>>>
>>> Pablo
>> Same result as Pablo: the ligatures remain even with liga=no, and the
>> hyphens are not replaced by appropriate dashes. Win64 8.1 with ConTeXt
>> 2015.07.12 15:40 build and LuaTeX 0.80.1 rev 5274. My texmf-local
>> contains only a locally-updated version of t-smartref.mkvi.
>>
>> I also have other problems with newotf and definefontfeature that I will
>> put in a separate message.
>
> i just checked the distribution on a vm and it works ok so best first 
> figure out why the tex ligs don't show up (when that relevant file is 
> not loaded well other overloads might also fail so that can be the 
> reason then for other issues)
>
> Hans

Thank you, Hans, for the fixes to feature handling in 2015-07-15 10:37. 
Now both the dashes and ligatures in this thread and the failed build 
with script=hebr (whatever the relationship to the particular script) 
work as expected.

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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/14/2015 12:54 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> On 2015-07-12 12:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> [...]
>> i just checked the distribution on a vm and it works ok so best first 
>> figure out why the tex ligs don't show up (when that relevant file is 
>> not loaded well other overloads might also fail so that can be the 
>> reason then for other issues)
>>
>> Hans
> 
> Thank you, Hans, for the fixes to feature handling in 2015-07-15 10:37. 
> Now both the dashes and ligatures in this thread and the failed build 
> with script=hebr (whatever the relationship to the particular script) 
> work as expected.

Hans,

checking beta from 2015.07.12 23:30 in Win7 64bit works fine (ligatures,
no ligatures and dashes) with newotf.

But I’m afraid that beta from 2015.07.14 10:37 doesn’t work disabling
ligatures and enabling dashes in Linux 32bit.

I’ll try to check the Linux 32bit ConTeXt with another computer.

Many thanks for your help,


Pablo
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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/14/2015 3:42 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 07/14/2015 12:54 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>> On 2015-07-12 12:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> i just checked the distribution on a vm and it works ok so best first
>>> figure out why the tex ligs don't show up (when that relevant file is
>>> not loaded well other overloads might also fail so that can be the
>>> reason then for other issues)
>>>
>>> Hans
>>
>> Thank you, Hans, for the fixes to feature handling in 2015-07-15 10:37.
>> Now both the dashes and ligatures in this thread and the failed build
>> with script=hebr (whatever the relationship to the particular script)
>> work as expected.
>
> Hans,
>
> checking beta from 2015.07.12 23:30 in Win7 64bit works fine (ligatures,
> no ligatures and dashes) with newotf.
>
> But I’m afraid that beta from 2015.07.14 10:37 doesn’t work disabling
> ligatures and enabling dashes in Linux 32bit.
>
> I’ll try to check the Linux 32bit ConTeXt with another computer.

there is no dependency on the platform

Hans

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Re: em-/en-dashes and newotf

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/14/2015 07:11 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 7/14/2015 3:42 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> Hans,
>>
>> checking beta from 2015.07.12 23:30 in Win7 64bit works fine (ligatures,
>> no ligatures and dashes) with newotf.
>>
>> But I’m afraid that beta from 2015.07.14 10:37 doesn’t work disabling
>> ligatures and enabling dashes in Linux 32bit.
>>
>> I’ll try to check the Linux 32bit ConTeXt with another computer.
> 
> there is no dependency on the platform

Hans,

the problem was fixed when I remembered to remove the m-newotf.mkiv file
you sent to the list from my home directory. Sorry for the noise.

I’m still experiencing the issue with a particular font. Since the font
was generated with FontForge, I would like to know what the font is
missing to report the bug upstream.

Many thanks for your help,


Pablo
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