* New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
@ 2015-10-23 18:40 Rik Kabel
2015-10-23 22:51 ` Rik Kabel
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2015-10-23 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
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At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned up
the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same as
shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, but
nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested
(http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that
method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
//there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation
block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally.
2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
//there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block
and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a
missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the
protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the
protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation.
Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem.
Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications)
3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the
[right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the
quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the
\setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters
when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle]
options are ignored as options and appear as text.
4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations
(\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not
aligned with other protrusion.
5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block
quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all.
6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in
quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation.
7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that
is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and
middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the
bibliography system in use.
\showframe
\definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality]
\setupalign [hz,hanging]
% The next line should allow \startquotation to protrude quotes properly
\setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
%==================
% For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following
%\setupbibtex[database=sample.bib] % requires sample.bib in current
directory
%------------------
% For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following
\definebtxdataset [sample] % finds and uses distribution sample.bib
\usebtxdataset [sample.bib]
%==================
\starttext
\startparagraph
There is a citation in the footnote to this standard
paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
\startquotation[right]
There is a citation in the footnote to this block
quotation\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[hh2010a].}
\stopquotation
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
\startquotation[right]
There is no citation in the footnote to this block
quotation\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}
\stopquotation
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
\quotation{There is a citation in the footnote to this non-block
quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation
\cite[Eijkhout1991].}}
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
\quotation{There is no citation in the footnote to this non-block
quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}}
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
“There is a citation in the footnote to this standard
paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}”
\stopparagraph
\startparagraph
“There is no citation in the footnote to this standard
paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}”
\stopparagraph
\blank[big]
%==================
% For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following
%\placepublications
%------------------
% For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following
\placelistofpublications
%==================
\stoptext
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Rik
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
2015-10-23 18:40 New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux Rik Kabel
@ 2015-10-23 22:51 ` Rik Kabel
2015-10-26 22:12 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2015-11-02 8:53 ` Hans Hagen
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rik Kabel @ 2015-10-23 22:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 2015-10-23 14:40, Rik Kabel wrote:
> At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned
> up the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same
> as shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here,
> but nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that
> method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
>
> 1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
> //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation
> block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally.
> 2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
> //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block
> and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a
> missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the
> protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the
> protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation.
> Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem.
> Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications)
> 3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the
> [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within
> the quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the
> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates
> matters when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and
> [middle] options are ignored as options and appear as text.
> 4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations
> (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and
> not aligned with other protrusion.
> 5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block
> quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all.
> 6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in
> quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation.
> 7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem,
> that is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right,
> and middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the
> bibliography system in use.
>
Further testing shows that the failure to compile issue (#1 and #2
above) is tied to processing @ARTICLE bib entries. The failure occurs in
and out of footnotes and startquotation blocks. I really was too deep
into a wrong view of the problem to see that before. That is pretty
clearly a bug.
The issue with method=font and left, right, middle (#3, #4, #5 above) is
still problematic. This is not tied to the bibliography system.
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Rik
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
2015-10-23 18:40 New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux Rik Kabel
2015-10-23 22:51 ` Rik Kabel
@ 2015-10-26 22:12 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2015-11-02 8:53 ` Hans Hagen
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2015-10-26 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Rik Kabel <mailto:context@rik.users.panix.com>
> 23. Oktober 2015 um 20:40
> At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned
> up the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same
> as shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here,
> but nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that
> method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
>
> 1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
> //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation
> block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally.
> 2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
> //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block
> and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a
> missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the
> protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the
> protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation.
> Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem.
> Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications)
You have to change the following definition in publ-imp-default.mkvi:
\definebtx
[\s!default:\s!list:title:article]
[\s!default:\s!list:title]
- [\c!style=, % journal is set in italics
- \c!command={\quotation\Word}]
+ [\c!style={\setcharactercasing[\v!Word]},
+ \c!command=\quotation]
> 3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the
> [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the
> quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the
> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters
> when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle]
> options are ignored as options and appear as text.
When you use method=font context using a different rendering mechanism
for the quotation block without the optional argument.
> 4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations
> (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not
> aligned with other protrusion.
> 5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block
> quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all.
When you use the default method context puts the quotation marks
in a box which is only moved into the margin independant of protrusion.
> 6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in
> quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation.
See 2.
> 7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that
> is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and
> middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the
> bibliography system in use.
Wolfgang
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
2015-10-23 18:40 New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux Rik Kabel
2015-10-23 22:51 ` Rik Kabel
2015-10-26 22:12 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2015-11-02 8:53 ` Hans Hagen
2015-11-02 9:05 ` Hans Hagen
2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-11-02 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 10/23/2015 8:40 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned up
> the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same as
> shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, but
> nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that
> method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
>
> 1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
> //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation
> block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally.
> 2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
> //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block
> and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a
> missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the
> protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the
> protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation.
> Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem.
> Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications)
> 3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the
> [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the
> quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the
> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters
> when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle]
> options are ignored as options and appear as text.
> 4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations
> (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not
> aligned with other protrusion.
> 5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block
> quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all.
> 6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in
> quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation.
> 7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that
> is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and
> middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the
> bibliography system in use.
>
>
> \showframe
>
> \definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality]
> \setupalign [hz,hanging]
>
> % The next line should allow \startquotation to protrude quotes properly
> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
>
> %==================
> % For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following
> %\setupbibtex[database=sample.bib] % requires sample.bib in current
> directory
> %------------------
> % For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following
> \definebtxdataset [sample] % finds and uses distribution sample.bib
> \usebtxdataset [sample.bib]
> %==================
>
> \starttext
> \startparagraph
> There is a citation in the footnote to this standard
> paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
> \startquotation[right]
> There is a citation in the footnote to this block
> quotation\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[hh2010a].}
> \stopquotation
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
> \startquotation[right]
> There is no citation in the footnote to this block
> quotation\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}
> \stopquotation
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
> \quotation{There is a citation in the footnote to this non-block
> quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation
> \cite[Eijkhout1991].}}
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
> \quotation{There is no citation in the footnote to this non-block
> quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}}
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
> “There is a citation in the footnote to this standard
> paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}”
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
> “There is no citation in the footnote to this standard
> paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}”
> \stopparagraph
>
> \blank[big]
>
> %==================
> % For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following
> %\placepublications
> %------------------
> % For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following
> \placelistofpublications
> %==================
>
> \stoptext
first hang in par fixed in the luatex engine so you have to wait till we
release
Hans
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