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* New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
@ 2015-10-23 18:40 Rik Kabel
  2015-10-23 22:51 ` Rik Kabel
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At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned up 
the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same as 
shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, but 
nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested 
(http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that 
method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.

 1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
    //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation
    block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally.
 2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
    //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block
    and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a
    missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the
    protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the
    protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation.
    Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem.
    Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications)
 3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the
    [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the
    quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the
    \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters
    when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle]
    options are ignored as options and appear as text.
 4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations
    (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not
    aligned with other protrusion.
 5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block
    quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all.
 6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in
    quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation.
 7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that
    is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and
    middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the
    bibliography system in use.


\showframe

\definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality]
\setupalign        [hz,hanging]

% The next line should allow \startquotation to protrude quotes properly
\setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]

%==================
% For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following
%\setupbibtex[database=sample.bib] % requires sample.bib in current 
directory
%------------------
% For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following
\definebtxdataset  [sample] % finds and uses distribution sample.bib
\usebtxdataset     [sample.bib]
%==================

\starttext
\startparagraph
   There is a citation in the footnote to this standard 
paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}
\stopparagraph

\startparagraph
\startquotation[right]
   There is a citation in the footnote to this block 
quotation\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[hh2010a].}
\stopquotation
\stopparagraph

\startparagraph
\startquotation[right]
   There is no citation in the footnote to this block 
quotation\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}
\stopquotation
\stopparagraph

\startparagraph
   \quotation{There is a citation in the footnote to this non-block 
quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation 
\cite[Eijkhout1991].}}
\stopparagraph

\startparagraph
   \quotation{There is no citation in the footnote to this non-block 
quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}}
\stopparagraph

\startparagraph
   “There is a citation in the footnote to this standard 
paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}”
\stopparagraph

\startparagraph
   “There is no citation in the footnote to this standard 
paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}”
\stopparagraph

\blank[big]

%==================
% For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following
%\placepublications
%------------------
% For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following
\placelistofpublications
%==================

\stoptext

-- 
Rik

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* Re: New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
  2015-10-23 18:40 New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux Rik Kabel
@ 2015-10-23 22:51 ` Rik Kabel
  2015-10-26 22:12 ` Wolfgang Schuster
  2015-11-02  8:53 ` Hans Hagen
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rik Kabel @ 2015-10-23 22:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 2015-10-23 14:40, Rik Kabel wrote:
> At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned 
> up the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same 
> as shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, 
> but nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested 
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that 
> method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
>
>  1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
>     //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation
>     block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally.
>  2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
>     //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block
>     and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a
>     missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the
>     protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the
>     protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation.
>     Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem.
>     Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications)
>  3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the
>     [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within
>     the quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the
>     \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates
>     matters when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and
>     [middle] options are ignored as options and appear as text.
>  4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations
>     (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and
>     not aligned with other protrusion.
>  5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block
>     quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all.
>  6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in
>     quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation.
>  7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem,
>     that is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right,
>     and middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the
>     bibliography system in use.
>
Further testing shows that the failure to compile issue (#1 and #2 
above) is tied to processing @ARTICLE bib entries. The failure occurs in 
and out of footnotes and startquotation blocks. I really was too deep 
into a wrong view of the problem to see that before. That is pretty 
clearly a bug.

The issue with method=font and left, right, middle (#3, #4, #5 above) is 
still problematic. This is not tied to the bibliography system.

-- 
Rik

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* Re: New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
  2015-10-23 18:40 New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux Rik Kabel
  2015-10-23 22:51 ` Rik Kabel
@ 2015-10-26 22:12 ` Wolfgang Schuster
  2015-11-02  8:53 ` Hans Hagen
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2015-10-26 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Rik Kabel <mailto:context@rik.users.panix.com>
> 23. Oktober 2015 um 20:40
> At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned 
> up the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same 
> as shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, 
> but nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested 
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that 
> method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
>
> 1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
>    //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation
>    block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally.
> 2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
>    //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block
>    and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a
>    missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the
>    protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the
>    protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation.
>    Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem.
>    Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications)
You have to change the following definition in publ-imp-default.mkvi:

\definebtx
   [\s!default:\s!list:title:article]
   [\s!default:\s!list:title]
- [\c!style=, % journal is set in italics
-  \c!command={\quotation\Word}]
+ [\c!style={\setcharactercasing[\v!Word]},
+  \c!command=\quotation]
> 3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the
>    [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the
>    quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the
>    \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters
>    when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle]
>    options are ignored as options and appear as text.
When you use method=font context using a different rendering mechanism
for the quotation block without the optional argument.
> 4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations
>    (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not
>    aligned with other protrusion.
> 5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block
>    quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all.
When you use the default method context puts the quotation marks
in a box which is only moved into the margin independant of protrusion.
> 6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in
>    quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation.
See 2.
> 7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that
>    is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and
>    middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the
>    bibliography system in use.
Wolfgang

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* Re: New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
  2015-10-23 18:40 New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux Rik Kabel
  2015-10-23 22:51 ` Rik Kabel
  2015-10-26 22:12 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2015-11-02  8:53 ` Hans Hagen
  2015-11-02  9:05   ` Hans Hagen
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-11-02  8:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

On 10/23/2015 8:40 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> At Wolfgang’s request, a new thread for this subject. I have cleaned up
> the example from the July 5 posting, but the problems are the same as
> shown there. In July Alan suggested that there might a bug here, but
> nothing has been done to address it since then. Wolfgang suggested
> (http://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context%40ntg.nl/msg35580.html) that
> method=font is required for proper protrusion handling for quotations.
>
>  1. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
>     //there is //no citation//in a footnote within a startquotation
>     block and a bibliography is produced/, compilation proceeds normally.
>  2. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present /and
>     //there is a citation//in a footnote within a startquotation block
>     and a bibliography is produced,/ the compilation complains of a
>     missing right curly. When allowed to continue to completion the
>     protrusion for the opening quotation marks does not match the
>     protrusion for similar marks not produced through \startquotation.
>     Citations in footnotes outside quotation blocks are not a problem.
>     Without a bibliography (\placelistofpublications)
>  3. When \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] is present, the
>     [right] option of \startblockquotation is treated as text within the
>     quotation. This can be resolved by adding “leftmargin=” to the
>     \setupdelimitedtext[quotation] command (but that complicates matters
>     when you want other alignments). Similarly, the [left] and [middle]
>     options are ignored as options and appear as text.
>  4. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for block quotations
>     (\startblockquotation … \stopblockquotation) is greater than and not
>     aligned with other protrusion.
>  5. When “method=font” is not present, protrusion for non-block
>     quotations (\quotation{…}) is not done at all.
>  6. With the older bibliography system, footnotes in citations in
>     quotation blocks do not cause a halt in compilation.
>  7. With the older bibliography system, item 3 is still a problem, that
>     is, method=font appears to be inimical to the left, right, and
>     middle options for \startblockquotation without regard to the
>     bibliography system in use.
>
>
> \showframe
>
> \definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality]
> \setupalign        [hz,hanging]
>
> % The next line should allow \startquotation to protrude quotes properly
> \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font]
>
> %==================
> % For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following
> %\setupbibtex[database=sample.bib] % requires sample.bib in current
> directory
> %------------------
> % For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following
> \definebtxdataset  [sample] % finds and uses distribution sample.bib
> \usebtxdataset     [sample.bib]
> %==================
>
> \starttext
> \startparagraph
>    There is a citation in the footnote to this standard
> paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
> \startquotation[right]
>    There is a citation in the footnote to this block
> quotation\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[hh2010a].}
> \stopquotation
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
> \startquotation[right]
>    There is no citation in the footnote to this block
> quotation\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}
> \stopquotation
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
>    \quotation{There is a citation in the footnote to this non-block
> quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation
> \cite[Eijkhout1991].}}
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
>    \quotation{There is no citation in the footnote to this non-block
> quotation paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}}
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
>    “There is a citation in the footnote to this standard
> paragraph\footnote{This footnote has a citation \cite[Eijkhout1991].}”
> \stopparagraph
>
> \startparagraph
>    “There is no citation in the footnote to this standard
> paragraph\footnote{This footnote has no citation.}”
> \stopparagraph
>
> \blank[big]
>
> %==================
> % For testing with old regime, enable next and disable following
> %\placepublications
> %------------------
> % For testing with new regime, disable above and enable following
> \placelistofpublications
> %==================
>
> \stoptext

first hang in par fixed in the luatex engine so you have to wait till we 
release

Hans


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* Re: New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
  2015-11-02  8:53 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2015-11-02  9:05   ` Hans Hagen
  2015-11-02 14:32     ` Rik Kabel
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-11-02  9:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

On 11/2/2015 9:53 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

>> \definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality]

btw that is bad, should be:

\definefontfeature [default][default][protrusion=quality]

as adding protrusion out of some quality argument doesn't go well with 
removing kerns and ligatures

Hans

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* Re: New btx code problem with quote protrusion, redux
  2015-11-02  9:05   ` Hans Hagen
@ 2015-11-02 14:32     ` Rik Kabel
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Rik Kabel @ 2015-11-02 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

On 2015-11-02 04:05, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 11/2/2015 9:53 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>>> \definefontfeature [default][protrusion=quality]
>
> btw that is bad, should be:
>
> \definefontfeature [default][default][protrusion=quality]
>
> as adding protrusion out of some quality argument doesn't go well with 
> removing kerns and ligatures
>
> Hans
>
Yes, definitely. Thank you for pointing that out. And thank you, in 
advance, for the fix.

-- 
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