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[2.242.196.39]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k125sm2353544wmb.14.2016.04.01.23.37.25 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Apr 2016 23:37:26 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.8 (Macintosh/20151105) In-Reply-To: <56FE2174.4040806@wxs.nl> X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:94245 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1141902886954481257== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010801090905020800080703" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010801090905020800080703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hans Hagen > 1. April 2016 um 09:21 > On 3/31/2016 9:28 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: >> On 2016-03-31 Hans Hagen wrote: >>> On 3/30/2016 8:55 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: >>>> On 2014-01-30 Jan Tosovsky wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'd expect that starting french quote sign outside the left >>>>> text edge - similarly like it is aligned the main flow when >>>>> the hanging feature is enabled. >>>>> >>>>> Now I've found it works as expected when the indenting is >>>>> disabled... >>>> >>>> http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=3D884 >>> >>> indenting prohibits protrusion >>> >> >> Good to know, thanks. I take it rather as a limitation. >> >> Use case: >> - book uses global indentation >> - there is poem typeset in narrower block >> - there is punctuation in the first verse which disrupt optical=20 >> margin alignment >> >> Are there alternative ways? > > in your example you use indentation to get a narrower block (and as=20 > each line is a paragraph each line gets an indent box prepended) ..=20 > you should use leftskip (\startnarrower...) in such cases This is a bad example because there is no problem with \leftskip. What he means is that protrusion at the left margin doesn=E2=80=99t at th= e begin=20 of a paragraph when you use indentation. %%% begin example \definefontfeature[default][default][protrusion=3Dquality] \setupbodyfont[modern-designsize] \setupalign[hanging] \setupbackgrounds[text][leftframe=3Don] \starttext =E2=80=9CHow does this look?=E2=80=9D When you a short paragraph with a quotattion mark at the beginning above another paragraph without a quotation mark the letters at the start of both paragraph don=E2=80=99t align. \blank[3*line]\setupindenting[yes,medium] =E2=80=9CHow does this look?=E2=80=9D When you a short paragraph with a quotattion mark at the beginning above another paragraph without a quotation mark the letters at the start of both paragraph don=E2=80=99t align. \blank[3*line] \dontleavehmode\llap{=E2=80=9C}How does this look?=E2=80=9D When you a short paragraph with a quotattion mark at the beginning above another paragraph without a quotation mark the letters at the start of both paragraph don=E2=80=99t align. \stoptext %%% end example Wolfgang --------------010801090905020800080703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hans Hagen
1.= =20 April 2016 um 09:21
On 3/31/2016 9:28 PM, Jan=20 Tosovsky wrote:
On 2016-03-31 Hans Hagen wrote:
On 3/30/2016 8:55 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote:
On 2014-01-30 Jan Tosovsky wrote:

I'd expect that starting french quote=20 sign outside the left
text edge - similarly like it is aligned the main flow when
the hanging feature is enabled.

Now I've found it works as expected when the indenting is
disabled...

http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=3D884

indenting prohibits protrusion


Good to know, thanks. I take it rather as a limitation.

Use case:
- book uses global indentation
- there is poem typeset in narrower block
- there is punctuation in the first verse which disrupt optical=20 margin alignment

Are there alternative ways?

in your example you use indentation to get a narrower block (and as=20 each=20 line is a paragraph each line gets an indent box prepended) .. you=20 should use leftskip (\startnarrower...) in such cases
This is a bad example because there is no problem with \leftskip.

What he means is that protrusion at the left margin doesn=E2=80=99t at th= e begin of a paragraph when you use indentation.

%%% begin example
\definefontfeature[default][default][protrusion=3Dquality]

\setupbodyfont[modern-designsize]

\setupalign[hanging]

\setupbackgrounds[text][leftframe=3Don]

\starttext

=E2=80=9CHow does this look?=E2=80=9D

When you a short paragraph with a quotattion mark at the beginning above<= br> another paragraph without a quotation mark the letters at the start of both paragraph don=E2=80=99t align.

\blank[3*line]\setupindenting[yes,medium]

=E2=80=9CHow does this look?=E2=80=9D

When you a short paragraph with a quotattion mark at the beginning above<= br> another paragraph without a quotation mark the letters at the start of both paragraph don=E2=80=99t align.

\blank[3*line]

\dontleavehmode\llap{=E2=80=9C}How does this look?=E2=80=9D

When you a short paragraph with a quotattion mark at the beginning above<= br> another paragraph without a quotation mark the letters at the start of both paragraph don=E2=80=99t align.

\stoptext
%%% end example

Wolfgang
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