From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/94573 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thomas Fehige Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: glyph substitution Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:44:20 +0200 Message-ID: <572310D4.6030208@fehige.de> References: <5715D9D5.5000403@fehige.de> <57161F10.3010901@gmail.com> <57178C3D.4090008@fehige.de> <57179143.1070009@gmail.com> <571A0C65.1020808@fehige.de> <571A8972.4010004@wxs.nl> <571E1204.2000707@fehige.de> <571E5E0A.10805@fehige.de> <571E81C0.2070103@gmail.com> <5720CC4B.90602@fehige.de> <1cad4caa-38f3-a38a-9b09-1492dd6b2129@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4445246497509256944==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461915914 30326 80.91.229.3 (29 Apr 2016 07:45:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:45:14 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Apr 29 09:45:02 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from zapf.boekplan.nl ([5.39.185.232] helo=zapf.ntg.nl) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aw36j-0007zd-NT for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:45:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5B9B278; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:44:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXthBPIAxsnu; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E758B37E; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB099B2C5 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:44:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wdXCG7vlEmCG for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:44:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D358B278 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:44:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [192.168.178.27] ([77.3.156.119]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LkPhj-1bWlpM1QTb-00cNw5 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:44:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: <1cad4caa-38f3-a38a-9b09-1492dd6b2129@wxs.nl> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:S4IamIKzl2V/hrvW8HEnpcGM28/PReTXDjoCVhhRLLVtAyfiK7F T2y0UfqkhzQjWsrYRDcbBXduMQc8d9vtYH2zzK2sdr7IFephkWOcVF2Y/YuDilnnmClg9lb Vmstl41eCjLTJBHtGZ9tpWxKCIulUrz0iUX5O8Kg7Kj4ML143cfpHVAynXFcCOjCbm8LraS KpyLYmrL14FdnHFudNs1w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:cv0AElxXtlc=:hwn7BhkJ+NHir5pN2WVqIh iSYsEDkAaz19ao1H1mFiVcjSiX/YMruJYCUU8vMfVykzsjjKQHB9naNNRhBHrYu+St7ey6mc+ yAgXMGuK5J7SgDAbsoV91SqIXu31e3wyb6oH5ErbMPcS7PQ55u0FgIZmr8zQcNLaGe+k5zggQ oenrfNTs0PaDWGfglxDWf54GccnfH4ZdMhrQTcnuRzKYZwyyLh1lEbGELxY2j6zZ/XvLj9Q9M vSztATfjsriqjMSw7FoZNdyJHFPaWLIlS1Fp0EALDzzW7AOVnecUjkYJsygmMku/gkrGFUojh t0lfB+YOv9ETRSvdc6Xbf21rb7A/OQvuTCJXZUPWbx5DjwKgWiIbO+JbJanWDKrb+OXFXFfJt JUO1U07JRCEapDw/rE+BYkMmCoeehathmfO+MCQ2HUlYbOXyNhOt5EKebQhxVWjsCUxk5G4Y0 mL41Cs/nK3st5vQpgG3+W2uIdkY42+4I2DdEhKHKhmQyUrHhagZ80E3aLKymOIrJFJJxh7ifz Q4h/BjafqC2lyYt7evtv7sNdEnFkvoQMzSVNxUExqgO1FPHLJdZAzx0sLpWykxXaX7ayLNzfR xpzX6fzJ5YcOuZAS4qIUyG1ILENtzZqf+7eLZtUqttuDZYCfebhGT2En4tUfxgMwH0MYBjhIf VEWy5h8iE+BQoJaOGUqHMSG0BoOYLSGXb9rk2lwHaA1oZs7c8x/VCRTxfuGY2IIslFcGergHJ +M3Xsc2gA8AtFRj5 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:94573 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4445246497509256944== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090302070105010301040900" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090302070105010301040900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 27.04.2016 um 17:10 schrieb Hans Hagen: > indeed they are lots of small examples (taken from the list or > experiments) but they show what can be done > > if they crash (no sure what you mean there) it's most likely due to > fonts you don't have on your machine Yes, many of the blank pages or obscure (to me) error messages seem to be font-related. I'll have to see to that. > a lot has been published in articles in user group journals or for > meetings, there is a font manual that you can buy for nominal costs, > there are some manuals on the website and an extended version of the > more technical one that hardly anyone needs will end up in the > distribution some day soon, there are examples on stack exchange, in > the mail archive an don the wiki ... a lot of this depends on > voluntary work so you can hardly complain about it .. anyone is free > to provide more documentation and share experiences Yes, I know, I'm sorry I let my exasperation run free. When I started out with LaTeX /and/ typesetting more than two decades ago, I had one basic book on LaTeX. Over the years my knowledge of LaTeX, typography, layout design and typesetting grew side by side, if somewhat organically and unsystematic. Nowadays there's about a metre and a half of bookshelf occupied by books on LaTeX, TeX and Typography. As I make books myself, I'm obviously not averse to buying them. I guess the ConTeXt books on fonts and layout will do me good. > btw, if you want to roll out your own features as in extensions-001 > then you also need to know what the font provides (or lacks) .. open > type fonts can be pretty complex and there is no consistency in how > certain features are implemented Yes, I learned that already. Will these home-made features only work on open type fonts? Cheers -- Thomas --------------090302070105010301040900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 27.04.2016 um 17:10 schrieb Hans Hagen:
indeed they are lots of small examples (taken from the list or experiments) but they show what can be done

if they crash (no sure what you mean there) it's most likely due to fonts you don't have on your machine

Yes, many of the blank pages or obscure (to me) error messages seem to be font-related. I'll have to see to that.

a lot has been published in articles in user group journals or for meetings, there is a font manual that you can buy for nominal costs, there are some manuals on the website and an extended version of the more technical one that hardly anyone needs will end up in the distribution some day soon, there are examples on stack exchange, in the mail archive an don the wiki ... a lot of this depends on voluntary work so you can hardly complain about it .. anyone is free to provide more documentation and share experiences

Yes, I know, I'm sorry I let my exasperation run free. When I started out with LaTeX and typesetting more than two decades ago, I had one basic book on LaTeX. Over the years my knowledge of LaTeX, typography, layout design and typesetting grew side by side, if somewhat organically and unsystematic. Nowadays there's about a metre and a half of bookshelf occupied by books on LaTeX, TeX and Typography.

As I make books myself, I'm obviously not averse to buying them. I guess the ConTeXt books on fonts and layout will do me good.

btw, if you want to roll out your own features as in extensions-001 then you also need to know what the font provides (or lacks) .. open type fonts can be pretty complex and there is no consistency in how certain features are implemented

Yes, I learned that already. Will these home-made features only work on open type fonts?

Cheers -- Thomas
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