From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41690 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Valle Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: distro info Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:40:22 +0200 Message-ID: <574EAC58-8C42-4F17-A5F2-AC8BA0D17DBB@di.unito.it> References: <4F0FF6A1-CBA4-455D-80A5-785E59607044@di.unito.it> <181B45FF-223C-4CBB-8909-F4C9BB2E0C5B@fiee.net> <653FF68A-0886-4ECA-A87C-36D95138437A@uni-bonn.de> <6faad9f00806141159p59426d2el8095f02c07479d54@mail.gmail.com> <83e5fb980806141605q3a16086fs4fd1dc5e6f019e6c@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0440310859==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213522967 17594 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2008 09:42:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:42:47 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Jun 15 11:43:29 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7oli-0004yF-3Z for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:43:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C301FC77; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:42:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24678-01; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:41:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A0E1FC6F; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:41:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A6B1FC6A for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:41:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24428-01-3 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:40:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from pianeta.di.unito.it (pianeta.di.unito.it [130.192.156.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56E31FC5A for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:40:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] (d81-211-247-143.cust.tele2.it [81.211.247.143]) by pianeta.di.unito.it (INFO-DIP) with ESMTP id m5F9eUZY024402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO userCertificateDN= AuthenticatedUser=valle ) for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:40:31 +0200 (MEST) In-Reply-To: <83e5fb980806141605q3a16086fs4fd1dc5e6f019e6c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-dipinfo-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Department of Computer Science technical staff for more information X-AntiVirus: Scanned for viruses by VirusFinder @2001-tecnici@di.unito.it - Email Clean X-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-102.498, required 3.5, autolearn=not spam, AUTHENTICATEDUSER -100.00, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.10) X-MailScanner-From: valle@di.unito.it X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41690 Archived-At: --===============0440310859== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--1007578643 --Apple-Mail-4--1007578643 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Furthermore let me doubt that a simplified installation it's enough to > persuade new users since ConTeXt requires manuals reading which is > universally considered a waste of time. Hmm, Diego, that's not the point IMHO. We have to decouple installation from use. I'm an example of a user =20 who will appreciate a simplified installer and will keep reading =20 manuals (Matthias seems to agree with me). It's an interesting thread, but at the end I'm convinced that, =20 simply, we are in a do-cracy. If Oliver has time, he will release an =20 installer for mac. Otherwise, Andrea Valle will simply keep complaining. Obviously, Hans has more important things to do (I'm pretty serious =20 here). Best -a- -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Universit=E0 degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- " Think of it as seasoning . noise [salt] is boring . F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring . F(noise, blah) can be really tasty " (Ken Perlin on noise) --Apple-Mail-4--1007578643 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Furthermore let me doubt that a = simplified installation it's enough to
persuade = new users since ConTeXt requires manuals reading which is
universally considered a waste of = time.

Hmm, Diego, that's not the point = IMHO.=A0
We have to decouple installation from use. I'm an = example of a user who will appreciate a simplified installer and will = keep reading manuals (Matthias seems to agree with = me).

It's =A0an interesting thread, but at the = end I'm=A0convinced that, simply, we are in a do-cracy. If Oliver has = time, he will release an installer for mac. Otherwise, Andrea Valle will = simply keep complaining.
Obviously, Hans has more important things = to do (I'm pretty serious = here).

Best

-a-

http://www.cirma.unito.it/andre= a/
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"
Think of it as = seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. = F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. = F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on = noise)




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