avoid newline after definestartstop

avoid newline after definestartstop

[Michael Eidenbenz]

hello,

how can I put the footnote number right after the quotationmarks without having a newline?
dontleavehmode does not work.

thanks michael




\definestartstop[Citation]
                [before={\startnarrower[left,right]\startquotation},
                 after={\stopquotation\stopnarrower\dontleavehmode}]

\starttext
\input tufte
\startCitation
  \input knuth
\stopCitation
\footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
\stoptext
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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Michael Eidenbenz]

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hello,

I found this old mail below, that is related to my problem.
is there still no workaround for this problem?
putting a (foot)note after a quotation mark is quite common and I don't want to put the marks by hand.

i was looking at spac-hor.mkiv and tried setupnarrower[after=]. 
but this did not work.

any help is appreciated

thanks michael


> Am 21.08.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wie...@rna.nl>:
> 
>> Is it possible to use \startquotation..\stopquotation and have an endnote 
>> number follow the closing ''? If the \endnote is before \stopquotation, it 
>> ends up inside the '' character at the end. If it is after \stopquotation, it 
>> becomes the beginning of the next paragraph.
> 
> 
> AFAIK this is only possible when you place the quotation marks by hand.
> 
> Wolfgang



> 
> On 20 Oct 2016, at 11:13, Michael Eidenbenz <eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> how can I put the footnote number right after the quotationmarks without having a newline?
> dontleavehmode does not work.
> 
> thanks michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> \definestartstop[Citation]
>                [before={\startnarrower[left,right]\startquotation},
>                 after={\stopquotation\stopnarrower\dontleavehmode}]
> 
> \starttext
> \input tufte
> \startCitation
>  \input knuth
> \stopCitation
> \footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
> \stoptext
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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Michael,

Maybe what Wolfgang meant by « putting the marks by hand » is something like: you define \StartCitation and \StopCitation in the following way:

% begin quotation-note.tex

\define\StartCitation{\startnarrower[left,right]«~}
\define[1]\StopCitation{~»\footnote{#1}\stopnarrower}

\starttext
\input tufte
\StartCitation
 \input knuth
\StopCitation{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
\stoptext
% end quotation-note.tex

Indeed instead of the quotation marks « and » you can put whatever you wish.
If you have quotations without footnotes, then you may define another start-stop.

Best regards: OK

> On 24 Oct 2016, at 12:42, Michael Eidenbenz <eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> I found this old mail below, that is related to my problem.
> is there still no workaround for this problem?
> putting a (foot)note after a quotation mark is quite common and I don't want to put the marks by hand.
> 
> i was looking at spac-hor.mkiv and tried setupnarrower[after=]. 
> but this did not work.
> 
> any help is appreciated
> 
> thanks michael
> 
> 
>> Am 21.08.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wie...@rna.nl <http://rna.nl/>>:
>> 
>>> Is it possible to use \startquotation..\stopquotation and have an endnote 
>>> number follow the closing ''? If the \endnote is before \stopquotation, it 
>>> ends up inside the '' character at the end. If it is after \stopquotation, it 
>>> becomes the beginning of the next paragraph.
>> 
>> 
>> AFAIK this is only possible when you place the quotation marks by hand.
>> 
>> Wolfgang
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On 20 Oct 2016, at 11:13, Michael Eidenbenz <eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch <mailto:eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch>> wrote:
>> 
>> hello,
>> 
>> how can I put the footnote number right after the quotationmarks without having a newline?
>> dontleavehmode does not work.
>> 
>> thanks michael
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> \definestartstop[Citation]
>>                [before={\startnarrower[left,right]\startquotation},
>>                 after={\stopquotation\stopnarrower\dontleavehmode}]
>> 
>> \starttext
>> \input tufte
>> \startCitation
>>  \input knuth
>> \stopCitation
>> \footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
>> \stoptext
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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Michael Eidenbenz]

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Thanks!

sometimes the moste obvious is hidden...
although I would consider this a hack, it works perfectly.
but I'm still wondering, if there is no soultion for the more "canonical" way.

Regards Michael

> On 24 Oct 2016, at 17:08, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Maybe what Wolfgang meant by « putting the marks by hand » is something like: you define \StartCitation and \StopCitation in the following way:
> 
> % begin quotation-note.tex
> 
> \define\StartCitation{\startnarrower[left,right]«~}
> \define[1]\StopCitation{~»\footnote{#1}\stopnarrower}
> 
> \starttext
> \input tufte
> \StartCitation
>  \input knuth
> \StopCitation{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
> \stoptext
> % end quotation-note.tex
> 
> Indeed instead of the quotation marks « and » you can put whatever you wish.
> If you have quotations without footnotes, then you may define another start-stop.
> 
> Best regards: OK
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2016, at 12:42, Michael Eidenbenz <eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch <mailto:eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch>> wrote:
>> 
>> hello,
>> 
>> I found this old mail below, that is related to my problem.
>> is there still no workaround for this problem?
>> putting a (foot)note after a quotation mark is quite common and I don't want to put the marks by hand.
>> 
>> i was looking at spac-hor.mkiv and tried setupnarrower[after=]. 
>> but this did not work.
>> 
>> any help is appreciated
>> 
>> thanks michael
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 21.08.2014 um 23:42 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wie...@rna.nl <http://rna.nl/>>:
>>> 
>>>> Is it possible to use \startquotation..\stopquotation and have an endnote 
>>>> number follow the closing ''? If the \endnote is before \stopquotation, it 
>>>> ends up inside the '' character at the end. If it is after \stopquotation, it 
>>>> becomes the beginning of the next paragraph.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> AFAIK this is only possible when you place the quotation marks by hand.
>>> 
>>> Wolfgang
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20 Oct 2016, at 11:13, Michael Eidenbenz <eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch <mailto:eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello,
>>> 
>>> how can I put the footnote number right after the quotationmarks without having a newline?
>>> dontleavehmode does not work.
>>> 
>>> thanks michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> \definestartstop[Citation]
>>>                [before={\startnarrower[left,right]\startquotation},
>>>                 after={\stopquotation\stopnarrower\dontleavehmode}]
>>> 
>>> \starttext
>>> \input tufte
>>> \startCitation
>>>  \input knuth
>>> \stopCitation
>>> \footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
>>> \stoptext
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>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>> 
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> 
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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 10/24/2016 06:07 PM, Michael Eidenbenz wrote:
> Thanks!
> 
> sometimes the moste obvious is hidden...
> although I would consider this a hack, it works perfectly.
> but I'm still wondering, if there is no soultion for the more
> "canonical" way.
> 
> Regards Michael

Hi Michael,

allow me two comments on your issue.

The hack is also using a block element as span element (pardon my XML
parlance). Either I’m missing something, or how would you do the same
with <blockquote> in HTML?

From a typographical point of view, do you really need the quotes with a
narrower paragraph? I mean, do you think it isn’t clear enough that this
is quote?

Just in case it might be useful,

Pablo
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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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> Michael Eidenbenz <mailto:eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch>
> 20. Oktober 2016 um 11:13
> hello,
>
> how can I put the footnote number right after the quotationmarks 
> without having a newline?
> dontleavehmode does not work.
The quotation environments creates a separate paragraph for the content 
and anything
after is belongs to a new paragraph.
> thanks michael
>
> \definestartstop[Citation]
> [before={\startnarrower[left,right]\startquotation},
> after={\stopquotation\stopnarrower\dontleavehmode}]
You can do the same with a custom quote environment:

\definedelimitedtext
   [Citation]
   [quotation]
   [leftmargin=standard]

Wolfgang

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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On 10/24/2016 05:08 PM, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> Maybe what Wolfgang meant by « putting the marks by hand » is something like: you define \StartCitation and \StopCitation in the following way:
>
> % begin quotation-note.tex
>
> \define\StartCitation{\startnarrower[left,right]«~}
> \define[1]\StopCitation{~»\footnote{#1}\stopnarrower}
>
> \starttext
> \input tufte
> \StartCitation
>  \input knuth
> \StopCitation{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
> \stoptext
> % end quotation-note.tex
>
> Indeed instead of the quotation marks « and » you can put whatever you wish.
> If you have quotations without footnotes, then you may define another start-stop.

Here would be my suggestion, which gives a syntax that is a bit more 
ConTeXt-like, I feel (but the coding can probably be improved):

\def\startQuote%
   {\dosingleempty\dostartQuote}

\def\dostartQuote[#1]%
   {\blank [line]
    \iffirstargument
     \getparameters[QQ][note=oops,#1]
     \def\stopQuote{\footnote{\QQnote}\stopnarrower\blank [line]}%
   \else
     \def\stopQuote{\stopnarrower\blank [line]}
   \fi
   \setupnarrower [left=1cm,right=2cm]
   \startnarrower}

\starttext

\input zapf

\startQuote
\input tufte
\stopQuote

\startQuote[note=Knuth]
\input knuth
\stopQuote

\stoptext

Thomas
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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Michael Eidenbenz]

thanks everybody for their input.

michael
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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Michael Eidenbenz]

after some readings in the TeX book I came up with the following solution that works for me without having to change all my instances of startstopCitation in the text.

\definestartstop
  [Citation]
  [
    before={\hangindent=20mm\hangafter=0\symbol[leftquotation]},
    after={\removeunwantedspaces\symbol[rightquotation]},
  ]

\starttext
\startCitation
  \input tufte
\stopCitation
\footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}

\input tufte
\stoptext
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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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> Michael Eidenbenz <mailto:eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch>
> 26. Oktober 2016 um 16:30
> after some readings in the TeX book I came up with the following 
> solution that works for me without having to change all my instances 
> of startstopCitation in the text.
This doesn’t work when you have more than one paragraph in the Citation 
environment.
> \definestartstop
> [Citation]
> [
> before={\hangindent=20mm\hangafter=0\symbol[leftquotation]},
> after={\removeunwantedspaces\symbol[rightquotation]},
> ]
>
> \starttext
> \startCitation
> \input tufte
> \stopCitation
> \footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
>
> \input tufte
> \stoptext
Here is a alternative version but you need a empty line or \par after 
\stopCitation.

\define\startCitation
   {\startnarrower[left]
    \symbol[leftquotation]\ignorespaces}

\define\stopCitation
   {\BeforePar{\removeunwantedspaces\symbol[rightquotation]}%
    \AfterPar {\endgraf\stopnarrower}%
    \GetPar}

\starttext

\startCitation
   \input knuth
\stopCitation
\footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}

\input knuth

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Michael Eidenbenz]

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Dear Wolfgang, 

thanks for your mail, that led me to the source in syst-aux where I found the TeX approach, my final solution.

\def\startCitation%
  { \startnarrower[left,right]
    \symbol[leftquotation]
    \removeunwantedspaces}

\def\stopCitation#1\par%
  { \removeunwantedspaces
    \symbol[rightquotation]
    #1
    \stopnarrower}
  
\starttext
  
\startCitation
  \input knuth
\stopCitation
\footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}

\input knuth

\stoptext

> On 26 Oct 2016, at 18:40, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Michael Eidenbenz <mailto:eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch> 26. Oktober 2016 um 16:30
>> after some readings in the TeX book I came up with the following solution that works for me without having to change all my instances of startstopCitation in the text.
> This doesn’t work when you have more than one paragraph in the Citation environment.
>> \definestartstop
>> [Citation]
>> [
>> before={\hangindent=20mm\hangafter=0\symbol[leftquotation]},
>> after={\removeunwantedspaces\symbol[rightquotation]},
>> ]
>> 
>> \starttext
>> \startCitation
>> \input tufte
>> \stopCitation
>> \footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
>> 
>> \input tufte
>> \stoptext
> Here is a alternative version but you need a empty line or \par after \stopCitation.
> 
> \define\startCitation
>   {\startnarrower[left]
>    \symbol[leftquotation]\ignorespaces}
> 
> \define\stopCitation
>   {\BeforePar{\removeunwantedspaces\symbol[rightquotation]}%
>    \AfterPar {\endgraf\stopnarrower}%
>    \GetPar}
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startCitation
>   \input knuth
> \stopCitation
> \footnote{This is a Quote of Donald Knuth}
> 
> \input knuth
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> Wolfgang
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Re: avoid newline after definestartstop

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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> Michael Eidenbenz <mailto:eidenbenz@arch.ethz.ch>
> 26. Oktober 2016 um 23:03
> Dear Wolfgang,
>
> thanks for your mail, that led me to the source in syst-aux where I 
> found the TeX approach, my final solution.
>
> \def\startCitation%
>   { \startnarrower[left,right]
>     \symbol[leftquotation]
>     \removeunwantedspaces}

\unexpanded\def\startCitation
   {\startnarrower[left,right]
    \symbol[leftquotation]%
    \ignorespaces}

> \def\stopCitation#1\par%
>   { \removeunwantedspaces
>     \symbol[rightquotation]
>     #1
>     \stopnarrower}

\unexpanded\def\stopCitation#1\par
   {\removeunwantedspaces
    \symbol[rightquotation]%
    #1%
    \stopnarrower}

Wolfgang

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