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[2.242.117.184]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l19sm4469562wmg.5.2016.10.26.11.22.13 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Oct 2016 11:22:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:96668 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2226102255996009220== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000109080806060705060509" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000109080806060705060509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Csikos Bela > 20. Oktober 2016 um 16:59 > Wolfgang Schuster írta: > > Thank you again. Now I am even more confused. > >>> 3. I found that if I write \definefontfamily [docuf] [mm] [TeX Gyre Pagella Math] >>> before \definefallbackfamily lines, the latter have no effect. Is this normal? >>> Shouldn't the order of definition lines be indifferent? >> The fallbackfamily settings are applied to a typeface and the >> \definefontfamily commands creates the typeface, without \definefontfamily the >> fallbacks are never used because there is no font which can use the settings. > > Sorry, but I don't understand the answer. If I have the code: > > \definefallbackfamily [documentfont] [mm] [Tex Gyre Adventor] [preset=math:lowercaseitalic] > \definefontfamily [documentfont] [mm] [TeX Gyre Pagella Math] > > then Tex Gyre Adventor font is used for math (\definefallbackfamily has effect). > > If I have this code: > > \definefontfamily [documentfont] [mm] [TeX Gyre Pagella Math] > \definefallbackfamily [documentfont] [mm] [Tex Gyre Adventor] [preset=math:lowercaseitalic] > > then Tex Gyre Pagella is used for math (\definefallbackfamily has no effect). > > According to your answer the opposite should happen, shouldn't? > I am confused. > The \definefontfamily command creates a typeface which is used to load a font but after this point you can’t make changes to it. The \definefallbackfamily command let you assign additional characters for a font but this has to happen before the font is loaded, therefore \definefallbackfamily needs before \definefontfamily in the document. 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20. Oktober 2016 um 16:59
Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> írta:

Thank you again. Now I am even more confused.


3. I found that if I write \definefontfamily     [docuf] [mm] [TeX Gyre Pagella Math]
before \definefallbackfamily lines, the latter have no effect. Is this normal?
Shouldn't the order of definition lines be indifferent?

The fallbackfamily settings are applied to a typeface and the 
\definefontfamily commands creates the typeface, without \definefontfamily the
fallbacks are never used because there is no font which can use the settings.


Sorry, but I don't understand the answer. If I have the code:

\definefallbackfamily [documentfont] [mm] [Tex Gyre Adventor] [preset=math:lowercaseitalic]
\definefontfamily     [documentfont] [mm] [TeX Gyre Pagella Math]

then Tex Gyre Adventor font is used for math (\definefallbackfamily has effect).

If I have this code:

\definefontfamily     [documentfont] [mm] [TeX Gyre Pagella Math]
\definefallbackfamily [documentfont] [mm] [Tex Gyre Adventor] [preset=math:lowercaseitalic]

then Tex Gyre Pagella is used for math (\definefallbackfamily has no effect).

According to your answer the opposite should happen, shouldn't?
I am confused.
The \definefontfamily command creates a typeface which is used to load a font but after this point
you can’t make changes to it. The \definefallbackfamily command let you assign additional
characters for a font but this has to happen before the font is loaded, therefore \definefallbackfamily
needs before \definefontfamily in the document.

Wolfgang
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