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* calculating optimal height of textblock
@ 2021-04-28 12:07 denis.maier
  2021-04-28 15:57 ` Hans Hagen
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From: denis.maier @ 2021-04-28 12:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,

how do you usually calcultate your layouts? For example in this example, the third value for height is not really helpful as there will never be a complete line :

=================
\setupbodyfont[10pt]

\definepapersize[test][width=140mm,height=208mm]
\setuppapersize[test][test]

\setuplayout[reset]
\setuplayout[backspace=17mm,
                                          topspace=19mm,
                                          header=0mm,
                                          footerdistance=4mm,
                                          footer=5mm,
                                          width=105mm,
                                          %height=174mm,
                                          height=178mm,
                                          %height=177mm, % does not suffice for a complete line
                                          rightmargin=0mm,
                                          leftmargin=0mm,
                                          ]

\startsetups[mypenalties]
    \setdefaultpenalties
    \setpenalties\clubpenalties{2}{0}
    \setpenalties\widowpenalties{2}{0}
    \setpenalties\displaywidowpenalties{2}{0}
\stopsetups
\setuplayout[setups=mypenalties]

%\showframe
\showmakeup
%\showsetups

\starttext

\dorecurse{5}{\input knuth\par}

\stoptext
=================

How do you do this usually? Any best-practices? Hints? Trial and error seems to work ok, but maybe there is a more efficient method...

Best
Denis

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* Re: calculating optimal height of textblock
  2021-04-28 12:07 calculating optimal height of textblock denis.maier
@ 2021-04-28 15:57 ` Hans Hagen
  2021-04-29  8:03   ` denis.maier
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2021-04-28 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, denis.maier

On 4/28/2021 2:07 PM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote:

> how do you usually calcultate your layouts? For example in this example, 
> the third value for height is not really helpful as there will never be 
> a complete line :

you can use

       lines=40,

instead of height

Hans

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* Re: calculating optimal height of textblock
  2021-04-28 15:57 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2021-04-29  8:03   ` denis.maier
  2021-04-29  9:59     ` denis.maier
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From: denis.maier @ 2021-04-29  8:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: j.hagen, ntg-context

Thanks, Hans. That's really helpful. 

Denis

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. April 2021 17:58
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>; Maier, Denis
> Christian (UB) <denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] calculating optimal height of textblock
> 
> On 4/28/2021 2:07 PM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
> 
> > how do you usually calcultate your layouts? For example in this
> > example, the third value for height is not really helpful as there
> > will never be a complete line :
> 
> you can use
> 
>        lines=40,
> 
> instead of height
> 
> Hans
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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>                Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
>         tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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* Re: calculating optimal height of textblock
  2021-04-29  8:03   ` denis.maier
@ 2021-04-29  9:59     ` denis.maier
  2021-04-29 11:30       ` Hans Hagen
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From: denis.maier @ 2021-04-29  9:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: j.hagen, ntg-context

One thing, I've noticed: 
Lines=40 seems to add more space than strictly necessary.

Why is that?

Example:

=======================
\setupbodyfont[10pt]

\definepapersize[test][width=140mm,height=208mm]
\setuppapersize[test][test]

\setuppagenumbering[location={footer,middle}]

\setuplayout[reset]
\setuplayout[backspace=17mm,
			topspace=19mm,
			header=0mm,
			headerdistance=0mm,
			footerdistance=4mm,
			footer=5mm,
			width=105mm,
			%height=177mm, % does not suffice for a complete line
			height=178mm, % enough for a complete line
			%lines=40, % adds a bit of extra whitespace below the last line
			rightmargin=0mm,
			leftmargin=0mm,
			]
	
% \setupalign[line]
% \setuptolerance[vertical,verytolerant,stretch]
% \setupinterlinespace[stretch=0.01]
			
\startsetups[mypenalties]
    \setdefaultpenalties
    \setpenalties\clubpenalties{2}{0}
    \setpenalties\widowpenalties{2}{0}
    \setpenalties\displaywidowpenalties{2}{0}
\stopsetups
\setuplayout[setups=mypenalties]	

%\showframe
\showmakeup
\showsetups

\starttext

\dorecurse{5}{\input knuth\par}

\stoptext

===============================

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Maier, Denis Christian (UB)
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. April 2021 10:03
> An: 'Hans Hagen' <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>; mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-
> context@ntg.nl>
> Betreff: AW: [NTG-context] calculating optimal height of textblock
> 
> Thanks, Hans. That's really helpful.
> 
> Denis
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. April 2021 17:58
> > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>; Maier, Denis
> > Christian (UB) <denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch>
> > Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] calculating optimal height of textblock
> >
> > On 4/28/2021 2:07 PM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
> >
> > > how do you usually calcultate your layouts? For example in this
> > > example, the third value for height is not really helpful as there
> > > will never be a complete line :
> >
> > you can use
> >
> >        lines=40,
> >
> > instead of height
> >
> > Hans
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >                                            Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
> >                Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
> >         tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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* Re: calculating optimal height of textblock
  2021-04-29  9:59     ` denis.maier
@ 2021-04-29 11:30       ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2021-04-29 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: denis.maier, ntg-context

On 4/29/2021 11:59 AM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
> One thing, I've noticed:
> Lines=40 seems to add more space than strictly necessary.
line heights, depths and topskip delta



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