fontsize changes not understood

fontsize changes not understood

[Meer, Hans van der]

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Can someone explain to me the changes in fontsize in the following example?
Enclosing the fontswitches in a group did not change the behaviour.

\setupbodyfont[dejavu,12pt]
\def\MarkMasterA{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\switchtobodyfont[9pt]\red Master\egroup}}
\def\MarkMasterB{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\usebodyfont[9pt]\red Master\egroup}}
\starttext
\startsection[title=\MarkMasterA First title]
\input hawking
\MarkMasterA
\input hawking
\stopsection
\startsection[title=\MarkMasterB First title]
\input hawking
\MarkMasterB
\input hawking
\blank
contextversion=\contextversion
\stopsection
\stoptext

In the first section the absolute value of 9 pt appears not to be honoured but it looks as if there is a reduction relative to the surrounding font.
In the second section the size does not change and looks even bigger than the first one above.

I am baffled and do not understand why not all fontsizes are the same absolute 9pt as requested?

Hans van der Meer





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Re: fontsize changes not understood

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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> Meer, Hans van der <mailto:H.vanderMeer@uva.nl>
> 24. Mai 2016 um 15:04
>
> Can someone explain to me the changes in fontsize in the following 
> example?
> Enclosing the fontswitches in a group did not change the behaviour.
>
> \setupbodyfont[dejavu,12pt]
> \def\MarkMasterA{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\switchtobodyfont[9pt]\red 
> Master\egroup}}
> \def\MarkMasterB{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\usebodyfont[9pt]\red 
> Master\egroup}}
> \starttext
> \startsection[title=\MarkMasterA First title]
> \input hawking
> \MarkMasterA
> \input hawking
> \stopsection
> \startsection[title=\MarkMasterB First title]
> \input hawking
> \MarkMasterB
> \input hawking
> \blank
> contextversion=\contextversion
> \stopsection
> \stoptext
>
> In the first section the absolute value of 9 pt appears not to be 
> honoured but it looks as if there is a reduction relative to the 
> surrounding font.
> In the second section the size does not change and looks even bigger 
> than the first one above.
>
> I am baffled and do not understand why not all fontsizes are the same 
> absolute 9pt as requested?
When you flush the margin text in the heading its style (e.g. \tfa) is 
added to your font size for the margin text.

To get rid of the size change from \section in your example you can add 
the "reset" keyword to \switchtobodyfont.

\def\MarkMasterA{\margindata[inleft][style={\switchtobodyfont[reset,9pt]},color=red]{Master}}

Wolfgang

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Re: fontsize changes not understood

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/24/2016 3:04 PM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:
>
> Can someone explain to me the changes in fontsize in the following example?
> Enclosing the fontswitches in a group did not change the behaviour.
>
> \setupbodyfont[dejavu,12pt]
> \def\MarkMasterA{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\switchtobodyfont[9pt]\red
> Master\egroup}}
> \def\MarkMasterB{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\usebodyfont[9pt]\red
> Master\egroup}}
> \starttext
> \startsection[title=\MarkMasterA First title]
> \input hawking
> \MarkMasterA
> \input hawking
> \stopsection
> \startsection[title=\MarkMasterB First title]
> \input hawking
> \MarkMasterB
> \input hawking
> \blank
> contextversion=\contextversion
> \stopsection
> \stoptext
>
> In the first section the absolute value of 9 pt appears not to be
> honoured but it looks as if there is a reduction relative to the
> surrounding font.
> In the second section the size does not change and looks even bigger
> than the first one above.
>
> I am baffled and do not understand why not all fontsizes are the same
> absolute 9pt as requested?

inmargin also has a style parameter that can be set (and maybe it is)

\setupbodyfont is a global font switch that should be used local (as it 
affects the headers footers, spacing etc


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Sorting index register

[Manuel Conzelmann]

How can i sort the register alphabetically, so that all indexes are sorted under max. 26 entries (a-z) instead of the default behaviour: sorted alphabetically per page order?
At the moment it looks like

GATKABF instead of ABFGKT

Thx!

Am 24.05.2016 15:08 schrieb "Meer, Hans van der" <H.vanderMeer@uva.nl>:

Can someone explain to me the changes in fontsize in the following example?
Enclosing the fontswitches in a group did not change the behaviour.

\setupbodyfont[dejavu,12pt]
\def\MarkMasterA{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\switchtobodyfont[9pt]\red Master\egroup}}
\def\MarkMasterB{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\usebodyfont[9pt]\red Master\egroup}}
\starttext
\startsection[title=\MarkMasterA First title]
\input hawking
\MarkMasterA
\input hawking
\stopsection
\startsection[title=\MarkMasterB First title]
\input hawking
\MarkMasterB
\input hawking
\blank
contextversion=\contextversion
\stopsection
\stoptext

In the first section the absolute value of 9 pt appears not to be honoured but it looks as if there is a reduction relative to the surrounding font.
In the second section the size does not change and looks even bigger than the first one above.

I am baffled and do not understand why not all fontsizes are the same absolute 9pt as requested?

Hans van der Meer




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Re: Sorting index register

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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> Manuel Conzelmann <mailto:conzelma@hs-pforzheim.de>
> 24. Mai 2016 um 16:10
> How can i sort the register alphabetically, so that all indexes are 
> sorted under max. 26 entries (a-z) instead of the default behaviour: 
> sorted alphabetically per page order?
> At the moment it looks like
>
> GATKABF instead of ABFGKT

1. Create a new thread for your problem.

2. Provide a minimal working example.

Wolfgang

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Re: fontsize changes not understood

[Meer, Hans van der]

> On 24 May 2016, at 15:57, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Meer, Hans van der  24. Mai 2016 um 15:04
>> 
>> Can someone explain to me the changes in fontsize in the following example?
>> Enclosing the fontswitches in a group did not change the behaviour.
>> 
>> \setupbodyfont[dejavu,12pt]
>> \def\MarkMasterA{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\switchtobodyfont[9pt]\red Master\egroup}}
>> \def\MarkMasterB{\inmargin[location=left]{\bgroup\usebodyfont[9pt]\red Master\egroup}}
>> \starttext
>> \startsection[title=\MarkMasterA First title]
>> \input hawking
>> \MarkMasterA
>> \input hawking
>> \stopsection
>> \startsection[title=\MarkMasterB First title]
>> \input hawking
>> \MarkMasterB
>> \input hawking
>> \blank
>> contextversion=\contextversion
>> \stopsection
>> \stoptext
>> 
>> In the first section the absolute value of 9 pt appears not to be honoured but it looks as if there is a reduction relative to the surrounding font.
>> In the second section the size does not change and looks even bigger than the first one above.
>> 
>> I am baffled and do not understand why not all fontsizes are the same absolute 9pt as requested?
> When you flush the margin text in the heading its style (e.g. \tfa) is added to your font size for the margin text.
> 
> To get rid of the size change from \section in your example you can add the "reset" keyword to \switchtobodyfont.

Thanks, I really didn't know that, it could not spot it in my copy of "Fonts in Context".

But although reset works for \switchtobodyfont, it is not working in \usebodyfont[reset,9pt] in the second section. There it keeps the size derived from the section title. Both commands however, are reported to inherit from \setupbodyfont (where the reset is named). Should that be correct?

Hans van der Meer




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Re: fontsize changes not understood

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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> Meer, Hans van der <mailto:H.vanderMeer@uva.nl>
> 24. Mai 2016 um 16:28
>
> Thanks, I really didn't know that, it could not spot it in my copy of 
> "Fonts in Context".
>
> But although reset works for \switchtobodyfont, it is not working in 
> \usebodyfont[reset,9pt] in the second section.
Why do you think \usebodyfont can be used to change the font size in 
your document, is this mentioned in a manual?
> There it keeps the size derived from the section title. Both commands 
> however, are reported to inherit from \setupbodyfont (where the reset 
> is named). Should that be correct?
IIRC \usebodyfont can be used to preload a typeface at the begin of a 
document which make switching to it later in the document with 
\switchtobodyfont or \setupbodyfont faster but this also means settings 
like the font size have no effect. The reference manual shows "inherits 
from XXX" in such a case because a) it is true that the command inherits 
its values from another command b) it’s faster to document (can be 
changed but one has to check which arguments are valid).

Wolfgang

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Re: fontsize changes not understood

[Meer, Hans van der]

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On 24 May 2016, at 17:00, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com<mailto:schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com>> wrote:

Meer, Hans van der<mailto:H.vanderMeer@uva.nl>
24. Mai 2016 um 16:28

Thanks, I really didn't know that, it could not spot it in my copy of "Fonts in Context".

But although reset works for \switchtobodyfont, it is not working in \usebodyfont[reset,9pt] in the second section.
Why do you think \usebodyfont can be used to change the font size in your document, is this mentioned in a manual?
There it keeps the size derived from the section title. Both commands however, are reported to inherit from \setupbodyfont (where the reset is named). Should that be correct?
IIRC \usebodyfont can be used to preload a typeface at the begin of a document which make switching to it later in the document with \switchtobodyfont or \setupbodyfont faster but this also means settings like the font size have no effect. The reference manual shows "inherits from XXX" in such a case because a) it is true that the command inherits its values from another command b) it’s faster to document (can be changed but one has to check which arguments are valid).


Never too old to learn something I didn't fully understood before. Thanks.

met vriendelijke groet
Hans van der Meer





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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

Dear list,

I am currently testing and experimenting such things as a brand new installation (Context Process 0.63 2016.05.22 15:18) on a Windows x64 computer.
I have made a new installation of ConTeXt Standalone (with TeXWorks), downloading the *.zip file, etc.

1) Download the context-mswin.zip in C:\[...]\Documents;
2) mkdir 'context' => cd 'context'
3) Unzip it and launch context-setup.bat in the new C:\[...]Documents\context
4) Then, go to \context\tex and launch 'setuptex';
5) Then again, cd \context\tex\texmf-win64\bin and do : 'context --generate', and 'context --make'.

As a result, the compilation after context --generate is 0,988 s. (and much more than 1 sec with 'context --make' command, which needs usually more than 30 sec. to compile) and after context --make I obtain a \dumpdump message with this cryptic sentence (in French) : 'luatex' is not recognized as an internal or external command, an executable program or a command file.

And when I try to do this :
\ starttext
\startsection[title={Testing ConTeXt}]
This is my {\em first} ConTeXt document.
\stopsection
\stoptext

Here is the result : mtx-context | fatal error: no return code, message: luatex: No such file or directory

I have missed something ... but what is it ?
I am deeply sorry to bother you with this question, but I don't clearly see when, where and what I have missed. Maybe I'm tired ...
JP
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Re: fontsize changes not understood

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

Hi HansvdMeer,

There are many ways to answer your question. Maybe, the first and simple one is that we may want to have some narrow paragraphs in the middle of our work, as quotations, for example, or whatever you want. So, it is a question of method : to put it in the preamble as \setupbodyfont, and \switchbodyfont on demand is probably easier than populate your code with numerous other commands. See here the 3.11.2 paragraph of this Wikibook in French : https://fr.wikibooks.org/wiki/ConTeXt#D.C3.A9finir_une_police_et_changer_de_police_dans_un_m.C3.AAme_document)
JP

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Objet: Re: [NTG-context] fontsize changes not understood







On 24 May 2016, at 17:00, Wolfgang Schuster < schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com > wrote: 





Meer, Hans van der 
24. Mai 2016 um 16:28 







Thanks, I really didn't know that, it could not spot it in my copy of "Fonts in Context". 

But although reset works for \switchtobodyfont, it is not working in \usebodyfont[reset,9pt] in the second section. Why do you think \usebodyfont can be used to change the font size in your document, is this mentioned in a manual? 




There it keeps the size derived from the section title. Both commands however, are reported to inherit from \setupbodyfont (where the reset is named). Should that be correct? 
IIRC \usebodyfont can be used to preload a typeface at the begin of a document which make switching to it later in the document with \switchtobodyfont or \setupbodyfont faster but this also means settings like the font size have no effect. The reference manual shows "inherits from XXX" in such a case because a) it is true that the command inherits its values from another command b) it’s faster to document (can be changed but one has to check which arguments are valid). 



Never too old to learn something I didn't fully understood before. Thanks. 

met vriendelijke groet 
Hans van der Meer 





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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/24/2016 5:57 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> I am currently testing and experimenting such things as a brand new installation (Context Process 0.63 2016.05.22 15:18) on a Windows x64 computer.
> I have made a new installation of ConTeXt Standalone (with TeXWorks), downloading the *.zip file, etc.
>
> 1) Download the context-mswin.zip in C:\[...]\Documents;
> 2) mkdir 'context' => cd 'context'
> 3) Unzip it and launch context-setup.bat in the new C:\[...]Documents\context
> 4) Then, go to \context\tex and launch 'setuptex';
> 5) Then again, cd \context\tex\texmf-win64\bin and do : 'context --generate', and 'context --make'.
>
> As a result, the compilation after context --generate is 0,988 s. (and much more than 1 sec with 'context --make' command, which needs usually more than 30 sec. to compile) and after context --make I obtain a \dumpdump message with this cryptic sentence (in French) : 'luatex' is not recognized as an internal or external command, an executable program or a command file.
>
> And when I try to do this :
> \ starttext
> \startsection[title={Testing ConTeXt}]
> This is my {\em first} ConTeXt document.
> \stopsection
> \stoptext
>
> Here is the result : mtx-context | fatal error: no return code, message: luatex: No such file or directory
>
> I have missed something ... but what is it ?

is there a texmf-win64 directory someplace?

btw, 30 sec for making a format sounds a lot to me (normally it takes me 
around 4.5 sec for one format including generating the file database, a 
few year old laptop but with an ssd) ... or is your console slow (if you 
run a lot from the console it makes sense to use 'conemu' as consoles - 
on any os - take some runtime due to the way tex flushes)

Hans


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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[josephcanedo]

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Hello Jean Pierre,


Have you added C:\context\tex\texmf-win64\bin (or whatever dir you installed ConTeXt) directory to PATH env variable ? 

Best regards


Joseph Canedo





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Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎24‎, ‎2016 ‎5‎:‎57‎ ‎PM
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl






Dear list,

I am currently testing and experimenting such things as a brand new installation (Context Process 0.63 2016.05.22 15:18) on a Windows x64 computer.
I have made a new installation of ConTeXt Standalone (with TeXWorks), downloading the *.zip file, etc.

1) Download the context-mswin.zip in C:\[...]\Documents;
2) mkdir 'context' => cd 'context'
3) Unzip it and launch context-setup.bat in the new C:\[...]Documents\context
4) Then, go to \context\tex and launch 'setuptex';
5) Then again, cd \context\tex\texmf-win64\bin and do : 'context --generate', and 'context --make'.

As a result, the compilation after context --generate is 0,988 s. (and much more than 1 sec with 'context --make' command, which needs usually more than 30 sec. to compile) and after context --make I obtain a \dumpdump message with this cryptic sentence (in French) : 'luatex' is not recognized as an internal or external command, an executable program or a command file.

And when I try to do this :
\ starttext
\startsection[title={Testing ConTeXt}]
This is my {\em first} ConTeXt document.
\stopsection
\stoptext

Here is the result : mtx-context | fatal error: no return code, message: luatex: No such file or directory

I have missed something ... but what is it ?
I am deeply sorry to bother you with this question, but I don't clearly see when, where and what I have missed. Maybe I'm tired ...
JP
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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Tue, 24 May 2016 18:56:44 +0200
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> or is your console slow (if you 
> run a lot from the console it makes sense to use 'conemu' as consoles
> - on any os - take some runtime due to the way tex flushes)

On any OS??

I believe that conemu is a Windows-specific terminal emulator.

Alan
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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

Hi Hans and others,

1) Yes, I have set the PATH to /context/tex/texmf-win64/bin (set PATH=%PATH%).
For this ConTeXt installation, I run ConteXt on Windows x64, on an Intel i5Core, with 8Go RAM on a 500Go Barracuda 7200t/mn hard drive. I'll try it on a Mac OS X Mavericks or Yosemite (in virtualization).
I use to test ConTeXT on a Intel i3Core Lenovo Laptop, where ConTeXt is installed on Ubuntu and Windows 10 and run without any problem.

2) Each time I do a 'context --generate' on the Intel i5Core, the process is quick (less than 10 s.), but with 'context --make', the proces takes more or less than 35 sec.

JP

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On 5/24/2016 5:57 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> I am currently testing and experimenting such things as a brand new installation (Context Process 0.63 2016.05.22 15:18) on a Windows x64 computer.
> I have made a new installation of ConTeXt Standalone (with TeXWorks), downloading the *.zip file, etc.
>
> 1) Download the context-mswin.zip in C:\[...]\Documents;
> 2) mkdir 'context' => cd 'context'
> 3) Unzip it and launch context-setup.bat in the new C:\[...]Documents\context
> 4) Then, go to \context\tex and launch 'setuptex';
> 5) Then again, cd \context\tex\texmf-win64\bin and do : 'context --generate', and 'context --make'.
>
> As a result, the compilation after context --generate is 0,988 s. (and much more than 1 sec with 'context --make' command, which needs usually more than 30 sec. to compile) and after context --make I obtain a \dumpdump message with this cryptic sentence (in French) : 'luatex' is not recognized as an internal or external command, an executable program or a command file.
>
> And when I try to do this :
> \ starttext
> \startsection[title={Testing ConTeXt}]
> This is my {\em first} ConTeXt document.
> \stopsection
> \stoptext
>
> Here is the result : mtx-context | fatal error: no return code, message: luatex: No such file or directory
>
> I have missed something ... but what is it ?

is there a texmf-win64 directory someplace?

btw, 30 sec for making a format sounds a lot to me (normally it takes me 
around 4.5 sec for one format including generating the file database, a 
few year old laptop but with an ssd) ... or is your console slow (if you 
run a lot from the console it makes sense to use 'conemu' as consoles - 
on any os - take some runtime due to the way tex flushes)

Hans


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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

I answer to Hans, Alan and me. In order to install Context on Windows 10, don't forget to restart the system when you have installed ConTeXt MK IV (Standalone) and set all the stuff (PATH, etc.).
I used to know about restarting the opsys on Windows, but I've forgotten it...

To Hans : total runtime for 'context --make' = 13,513 s.

Thanks

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Objet: Re: [NTG-context] win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

Hi Hans and others,

1) Yes, I have set the PATH to /context/tex/texmf-win64/bin (set PATH=%PATH%).
For this ConTeXt installation, I run ConteXt on Windows x64, on an Intel i5Core, with 8Go RAM on a 500Go Barracuda 7200t/mn hard drive. I'll try it on a Mac OS X Mavericks or Yosemite (in virtualization).
I use to test ConTeXT on a Intel i3Core Lenovo Laptop, where ConTeXt is installed on Ubuntu and Windows 10 and run without any problem.

2) Each time I do a 'context --generate' on the Intel i5Core, the process is quick (less than 10 s.), but with 'context --make', the proces takes more or less than 35 sec.

JP

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Envoyé: Mardi 24 Mai 2016 18:56:44
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

On 5/24/2016 5:57 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> I am currently testing and experimenting such things as a brand new installation (Context Process 0.63 2016.05.22 15:18) on a Windows x64 computer.
> I have made a new installation of ConTeXt Standalone (with TeXWorks), downloading the *.zip file, etc.
>
> 1) Download the context-mswin.zip in C:\[...]\Documents;
> 2) mkdir 'context' => cd 'context'
> 3) Unzip it and launch context-setup.bat in the new C:\[...]Documents\context
> 4) Then, go to \context\tex and launch 'setuptex';
> 5) Then again, cd \context\tex\texmf-win64\bin and do : 'context --generate', and 'context --make'.
>
> As a result, the compilation after context --generate is 0,988 s. (and much more than 1 sec with 'context --make' command, which needs usually more than 30 sec. to compile) and after context --make I obtain a \dumpdump message with this cryptic sentence (in French) : 'luatex' is not recognized as an internal or external command, an executable program or a command file.
>
> And when I try to do this :
> \ starttext
> \startsection[title={Testing ConTeXt}]
> This is my {\em first} ConTeXt document.
> \stopsection
> \stoptext
>
> Here is the result : mtx-context | fatal error: no return code, message: luatex: No such file or directory
>
> I have missed something ... but what is it ?

is there a texmf-win64 directory someplace?

btw, 30 sec for making a format sounds a lot to me (normally it takes me 
around 4.5 sec for one format including generating the file database, a 
few year old laptop but with an ssd) ... or is your console slow (if you 
run a lot from the console it makes sense to use 'conemu' as consoles - 
on any os - take some runtime due to the way tex flushes)

Hans


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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/24/2016 7:55 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> On Tue, 24 May 2016 18:56:44 +0200
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>> or is your console slow (if you
>> run a lot from the console it makes sense to use 'conemu' as consoles
>> - on any os - take some runtime due to the way tex flushes)
>
> On any OS??
>
> I believe that conemu is a Windows-specific terminal emulator.

i meant that writing data to the console (from tex) can be responsible 
for additional runtime; it depends (sometimes) on the font used on the 
console (osx), ansi control sequence interception, and buffering (the 
standard wondows console doesn't buffer, conemu on windows does, on 
other operating systems it depends) .. tex writes in chunks (no line 
buffering) because it's often progress info (although context does bit 
of optimization)

Hans

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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/25/2016 12:10 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
> I answer to Hans, Alan and me. In order to install Context on Windows 10, don't forget to restart the system when you have installed ConTeXt MK IV (Standalone) and set all the stuff (PATH, etc.).
> I used to know about restarting the opsys on Windows, but I've forgotten it...

normally you only need to restart the process that needs the adapted 
path (console or editor)

> To Hans : total runtime for 'context --make' = 13,513 s.

ok, that's better (still twice the time than an i7 with ssd)

> Thanks
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Jean-Pierre Delange" <adeimantos@free.fr>
> À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Envoyé: Mardi 24 Mai 2016 20:29:04
> Objet: Re: [NTG-context] win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command
>
> Hi Hans and others,
>
> 1) Yes, I have set the PATH to /context/tex/texmf-win64/bin (set PATH=%PATH%).
> For this ConTeXt installation, I run ConteXt on Windows x64, on an Intel i5Core, with 8Go RAM on a 500Go Barracuda 7200t/mn hard drive. I'll try it on a Mac OS X Mavericks or Yosemite (in virtualization).
> I use to test ConTeXT on a Intel i3Core Lenovo Laptop, where ConTeXt is installed on Ubuntu and Windows 10 and run without any problem.
>
> 2) Each time I do a 'context --generate' on the Intel i5Core, the process is quick (less than 10 s.), but with 'context --make', the proces takes more or less than 35 sec.
>
> JP
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl>
> À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Envoyé: Mardi 24 Mai 2016 18:56:44
> Objet: Re: [NTG-context] win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command
>
> On 5/24/2016 5:57 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange wrote:
>>
>> Dear list,
>>
>> I am currently testing and experimenting such things as a brand new installation (Context Process 0.63 2016.05.22 15:18) on a Windows x64 computer.
>> I have made a new installation of ConTeXt Standalone (with TeXWorks), downloading the *.zip file, etc.
>>
>> 1) Download the context-mswin.zip in C:\[...]\Documents;
>> 2) mkdir 'context' => cd 'context'
>> 3) Unzip it and launch context-setup.bat in the new C:\[...]Documents\context
>> 4) Then, go to \context\tex and launch 'setuptex';
>> 5) Then again, cd \context\tex\texmf-win64\bin and do : 'context --generate', and 'context --make'.
>>
>> As a result, the compilation after context --generate is 0,988 s. (and much more than 1 sec with 'context --make' command, which needs usually more than 30 sec. to compile) and after context --make I obtain a \dumpdump message with this cryptic sentence (in French) : 'luatex' is not recognized as an internal or external command, an executable program or a command file.
>>
>> And when I try to do this :
>> \ starttext
>> \startsection[title={Testing ConTeXt}]
>> This is my {\em first} ConTeXt document.
>> \stopsection
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Here is the result : mtx-context | fatal error: no return code, message: luatex: No such file or directory
>>
>> I have missed something ... but what is it ?
>
> is there a texmf-win64 directory someplace?
>
> btw, 30 sec for making a format sounds a lot to me (normally it takes me
> around 4.5 sec for one format including generating the file database, a
> few year old laptop but with an ssd) ... or is your console slow (if you
> run a lot from the console it makes sense to use 'conemu' as consoles -
> on any os - take some runtime due to the way tex flushes)
>
> Hans
>
>
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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[L.S.-Soc&Gam]

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There are three things which I don't fully understand either:

1. Why are there three files on " 
http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup/ " which is reachable via the 
" Download ConTeXt " link?
There are

[ ] 	context-setup-mswin.zip 
<http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup/context-setup-mswin.zip> 
2016-05-23 22:36 	21M 	
[ ] 	context-setup-win32.zip 
<http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup/context-setup-win32.zip> 
2016-05-23 22:36 	21M 	
[ ] 	context-setup-win64.zip 
<http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup/context-setup-win64.zip> 
2016-05-23 22:36 	21M 	


Wouldn't *win32* and *win64* files alone suffice? I am wondering what 
the *mswin* files is for. It is a little bit confusing.
Especially because there is also another folder  " [...] 
contextgarden.net/setup2/ ".
Again with

[ ] 	context-setup-win32.zip 
<http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup2/context-setup-win32.zip> 
2016-05-23 22:36 	21M 	
[ ] 	context-setup-win64.zip 
<http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup2/context-setup-win64.zip> 
2016-05-23 22:37 	21M 	


2. Is the " setup2 " folder really necessary?

Last thing is about the problem with finding lua...

In your description you don't mention using " first-setup.bat ":

1) Download the context-mswin.zip in C:\[...]\Documents;
2) mkdir 'context' => cd 'context'
3) Unzip it and launch context-setup.bat in the new C:\[...]Documents\context
4) Then, go to \context\tex and launch 'setuptex';
5) Then again, cd \context\tex\texmf-win64\bin and do : 'context --generate', and 'context --make'.


I mean I see your point that you want to use it standalone. So...


3. Why don't you try it the simple way? I am on Win10 x64, but this 
should work for every supported Win system:

         0. I donwloaded context-setup-win32.zip 
<http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup/context-setup-win32.zip> from 
" setup " folder.
         1. Extracted " context " anywhere. I used short paths: " 
C:\context " or " D:\context ". Renamed to ConTeXt for readability.
         2. Used command (cmd.exe ideally as Admin) and went to my CTX 
path: " D:\ConTeXt\ "
         3. Entered first-setup.bat        -> I also added " 
--modules=all ". CTX is around 400 MB now. I am sure it's fully worth it!
         4. After download finished I navigated deeper to: " 
tex\texmf-win64\bin " like " D:\ConTeXt\tex\texmf-win64\bin "
         5. Created a document " test.tex " right inside " bin " folder.
         6. Edited it with editor and only enterd: " \starttext Hello 
world \stoptext "
         7. Save the document
         8. Entered " context test.tex "
         9. And finished was my first PDF.


Maybe you could try the same...


Greeting, Seba

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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[L.S.-Soc&Gam]

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context-setup-win64.zip 
<http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup/context-setup-win64.zip> was 
what i downloaded of course.


Am 25.05.2016 um 00:48 schrieb L.S.-Soc&Gam:
>
> 3. Why don't you try it the simple way? I am on Win10 x64, but this 
> should work for every supported Win system:
>
>         0. I donwloaded context-setup-win32.zip 
> <http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup/context-setup-win32.zip> 
> from " setup " folder.
>         1. Extracted " context " anywhere. I used short paths: " 
> C:\context " or " D:\context ". Renamed to ConTeXt for readability.
>         2. Used command (cmd.exe ideally as Admin) and went to my CTX 
> path: " D:\ConTeXt\ "
>         3. Entered first-setup.bat        -> I also added     " 
> --modules=all ". CTX is around 400 MB now. I am sure it's fully worth it!
>         4. After download finished I navigated deeper to: " 
> tex\texmf-win64\bin " like " D:\ConTeXt\tex\texmf-win64\bin "
>         5. Created a document " test.tex " right inside " bin " folder.
>         6. Edited it with editor and only enterd: " \starttext Hello 
> world \stoptext "
>         7. Save the document
>         8. Entered " context test.tex "
>         9. And finished was my first PDF.
>
>
> Maybe you could try the same...
>
>
> Greeting, Seba


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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 25 May 2016 at 00:48, L.S.-Soc&Gam wrote:
>
> There are three things which I don't fully understand either:
>
> 1. Why are there three files on " http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup/ " which is reachable via the " Download ConTeXt " link?
> There are
>
> context-setup-mswin.zip 2016-05-23 22:36 21M
> context-setup-win32.zip 2016-05-23 22:36 21M
> context-setup-win64.zip 2016-05-23 22:36 21M
>
> Wouldn't *win32* and *win64* files alone suffice? I am wondering what the *mswin* files is for. It is a little bit confusing.

I don't like mswin and would like to switch to win32 to make it
consistent with win64, but I need the blessing from Hans first.

> Especially because there is also another folder  " [...] contextgarden.net/setup2/ ".
> Again with
>
> context-setup-win32.zip 2016-05-23 22:36 21M
> context-setup-win64.zip 2016-05-23 22:37 21M
>
> 2. Is the " setup2 " folder really necessary?

No.

Long time ago Hans asked me if we could switch to rsync from the MinGW
project rather than the one based on cygwin's dll. (Then we probably
both forgot about this.)

The "setup2" is experimental setup bundling rsync from MinGW, the idea
was to provide testing setup that would replace the old one.

As soon as I get a green light, I could remove "setup", rename
"setup2" to "setup" and only leave the new binaries there. (I can also
remove "setup2" in principle.)

Mojca
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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Hans Hagen]

On 5/25/2016 10:46 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> Long time ago Hans asked me if we could switch to rsync from the MinGW
> project rather than the one based on cygwin's dll. (Then we probably
> both forgot about this.)

it's more that we never decided on a moment of switching ...

the updater should work with --mingw and hen we default to it we only 
need to change

local rsync_variant = "cygwin"

into

local rsync_variant = "mingw"

in mtx-update.lua

we could just try that (in the worst case we need to have a few attempts)

Hans


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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

Hi Seba,

1) On Windows, I unzip context-setup-win64 in C:\[Users]/MyName/Documents/ConTeXt (or something alike, anywhere in C: or D:);
2) cd context/tex; then : context-setup.bat
3) There is no need to get Admin rights to launch context commands, but one has to be carefull before launching the approriate first-setup.bat --modules=all --fonts=all --goodies=all --engine=luatex (which I do in order to use some modules, or fonts) : one has to go to /context/tex/texmf-win/bin or /context/tex/texmf-win64/bin before launching 'context --generate' and 'context --make' to build the trees (including fonts trees).
4) I have not forget to set the PATH;

But it seems (only in this peculiar installation, because I run ContExt daily on others machines ) that ConTeXt refuses 'context --generate' and 'context --make', and therefore to parse *.tex files.

JP

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Envoyé: Mercredi 25 Mai 2016 00:48:48
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command


There are three things which I don't fully understand either: 

1. Why are there three files on " http://standalone.contextgarden.net/setup/ " which is reachable via the " Download ConTeXt " link? 
There are 


	[ ]	context-setup-mswin.zip 	2016-05-23 22:36 	21M 	
	[ ]	context-setup-win32.zip 	2016-05-23 22:36 	21M 	
	[ ]	context-setup-win64.zip 	2016-05-23 22:36 	21M 	
Wouldn't *win32* and *win64* files alone suffice? I am wondering what the *mswin* files is for. It is a little bit confusing. 
Especially because there is also another folder " [...] contextgarden.net/setup2/ ". 
Again with 


	[ ]	context-setup-win32.zip 	2016-05-23 22:36 	21M 	
	[ ]	context-setup-win64.zip 	2016-05-23 22:37 	21M 	
2. Is the " setup2 " folder really necessary? 

Last thing is about the problem with finding lua... 

In your description you don't mention using " first-setup.bat ": 

1) Download the context-mswin.zip in C:\[...]\Documents;
2) mkdir 'context' => cd 'context'
3) Unzip it and launch context-setup.bat in the new C:\[...]Documents\context
4) Then, go to \context\tex and launch 'setuptex';
5) Then again, cd \context\tex\texmf-win64\bin and do : 'context --generate', and 'context --make'. 
I mean I see your point that you want to use it standalone. So... 


3. Why don't you try it the simple way? I am on Win10 x64, but this should work for every supported Win system: 

0. I donwloaded context-setup-win32.zip from " setup " folder. 
1. Extracted " context " anywhere. I used short paths: " C:\context " or " D:\context ". Renamed to ConTeXt for readability. 
2. Used command (cmd.exe ideally as Admin) and went to my CTX path: " D:\ConTeXt\ " 
3. Entered first-setup.bat -> I also added " --modules=all ". CTX is around 400 MB now. I am sure it's fully worth it! 
4. After download finished I navigated deeper to: " tex\texmf-win64\bin " like " D:\ConTeXt\tex\texmf-win64\bin " 
5. Created a document " test.tex " right inside " bin " folder. 
6. Edited it with editor and only enterd: " \starttext Hello world \stoptext " 
7. Save the document 
8. Entered " context test.tex " 
9. And finished was my first PDF. 


Maybe you could try the same... 


Greeting, Seba 

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Re: ConTeXt on Mac OS X installation

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

Hi dear fellows,

Trying to install ConTeXt on a virtual OS X Mavericks (with VMWare Workstation 12 Pro on Windows 10).

1. Downloading and install ConteXt Minimals simply in /Documents/context
2. In a Terminal : chmod +x first-setup.sh
3. Then : . first-setup.sh
4. After a while, downloading and setting stuff achieved, I type : cd tex, then: . setuptex. Here is the answer : "/Users/adeimantos/Documents/context/tex" is not a valid TEXROOT path.
(There is no file "/Users/adeimantos/Documents/context/tex/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex")
provide a proper tex root (like '. setuptex /something/tex')

What do you think about it ?
Many thanks for your help.
JP
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Re: ConTeXt on Mac OS X installation

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

I answer to myself, looking to 2008 mail-post here (it seems to be a recurring issue) :
https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg32419.html


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De: "Jean-Pierre Delange" <adeimantos@free.fr>
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Envoyé: Mercredi 25 Mai 2016 07:14:14
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Mac OS X installation

Hi dear fellows,

Trying to install ConTeXt on a virtual OS X Mavericks (with VMWare Workstation 12 Pro on Windows 10).

1. Downloading and install ConteXt Minimals simply in /Documents/context
2. In a Terminal : chmod +x first-setup.sh
3. Then : . first-setup.sh
4. After a while, downloading and setting stuff achieved, I type : cd tex, then: . setuptex. Here is the answer : "/Users/adeimantos/Documents/context/tex" is not a valid TEXROOT path.
(There is no file "/Users/adeimantos/Documents/context/tex/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex")
provide a proper tex root (like '. setuptex /something/tex')

What do you think about it ?
Many thanks for your help.
JP
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Re: ConTeXt on Mac OS X installation

[Jean-Pierre Delange]

There are a few subtleties to manage in order to install ConTeXt on Mac OS X. The 'setuptex' config is not the same as a Linux one. But documentation does exist on the Net.
Just for information, the 'context --make' command process is as follow :
system          | total runtime: 7.429 seconds


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Envoyé: Mercredi 25 Mai 2016 09:32:27
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Mac OS X installation

I answer to myself, looking to 2008 mail-post here (it seems to be a recurring issue) :
https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg32419.html


----- Mail original -----
De: "Jean-Pierre Delange" <adeimantos@free.fr>
À: "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Envoyé: Mercredi 25 Mai 2016 07:14:14
Objet: Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt on Mac OS X installation

Hi dear fellows,

Trying to install ConTeXt on a virtual OS X Mavericks (with VMWare Workstation 12 Pro on Windows 10).

1. Downloading and install ConteXt Minimals simply in /Documents/context
2. In a Terminal : chmod +x first-setup.sh
3. Then : . first-setup.sh
4. After a while, downloading and setting stuff achieved, I type : cd tex, then: . setuptex. Here is the answer : "/Users/adeimantos/Documents/context/tex" is not a valid TEXROOT path.
(There is no file "/Users/adeimantos/Documents/context/tex/texmf/tex/plain/base/plain.tex")
provide a proper tex root (like '. setuptex /something/tex')

What do you think about it ?
Many thanks for your help.
JP
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Re: win64 : luatex is not recognize as an internal command

[L.S.-Soc&Gam]

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Thanks a lot for clarifying this. Well I think it's great to keep CTX 
open for devs or experimental purposes.

Imho the point is that the download section could use a slight tune up. 
In fact, to make the installation as easy as possible for new users, the 
main structure might be divided by operating system. Win, Lin, Mac  and 
Experimental or Developer.

Right now Wiki looks like:


          Installation

  * download ConTeXt <http://standalone.contextgarden.net/>
  * download area <http://dl.contextgarden.net/>


Me as a new user didn't know which one to take at first.
This might be merged.
one single donwload button to the ftp and then Win, Lin, Mac, Developer, 
Experimental.

I would love to help with contextgarden wiki, but I am student and it 
took a long time learning CTX so far.
But some day...


Only a few words for usability ;-)


Thanks for this great piece of idea and greetings from germany to the 
whole CTX team.


Seba


Am 25.05.2016 um 10:46 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> I don't like mswin and would like to switch to win32 to make it
> consistent with win64, but I need the blessing from Hans first.

>
>> 2. Is the " setup2 " folder really necessary?
> No.
>
> Long time ago Hans asked me if we could switch to rsync from the MinGW
> project rather than the one based on cygwin's dll. (Then we probably
> both forgot about this.)
>
> The "setup2" is experimental setup bundling rsync from MinGW, the idea
> was to provide testing setup that would replace the old one.
>
> As soon as I get a green light, I could remove "setup", rename
> "setup2" to "setup" and only leave the new binaries there. (I can also
> remove "setup2" in principle.)
>
> Mojca


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