From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/47437 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ilda Khaki Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Arabic typesetting in Plain TeX over LuaTeX Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 18:20:08 +1100 Message-ID: <598a61650902142320v6b52186cm671a6464c86e3e8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <598a61650902121917l2037bb35ue16c4ad340cc39e9@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0434391583==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1234687616 27083 80.91.229.12 (15 Feb 2009 08:46:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:46:56 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Feb 15 09:48:10 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LYcfZ-0006c0-CK for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:48:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD4B1FB29; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:46:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07398-03; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:45:22 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640201FB71; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:09:09 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9AF1FB89 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:09:06 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26170-04-2 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:07:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (filter1-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.69]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D997E1FADF for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:25:40 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n1F7K878008661 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 2009 08:22:54 +0100 Original-Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so2635931bwz.2 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:20:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ieslyx8PHXsWdGKZVZfAth3QyKc7gbFDNeZR7SI4PrQ=; b=n7qa5BFiya38M5Ey3AljLh/Ga0DfM49GjltUA4pidZ4kYvk65ykr5tMmHMPGsGuyiV zMuIKS5Xh+WJCNLRTj/v6RFu5+F7xJWPt7HVfzcnAZ5j3rP7m8OzeqfHCYYPZQ33Idv8 g2X6gC27LyBPdCvSVNlwafDkqo5n+sXpgDgnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=cqH/SmaECJHlRSKuZjmmRvbyLWurKBig+Al2aHSdC2+aV8X0+h8uMVjoqlen2FikU4 sKBVT8EnNITnLxqmQhakSFgbolfPcDL9x1Gv2c2hTW5rs7G6bFxQ95XeHiry13kM5iYV WWiqR89M/1lGrmFpJxnYukzBWnlzIWudS0IXE= Original-Received: by 10.103.102.17 with SMTP id e17mr2216521mum.136.1234682408205; Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:20:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.218.213; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 180102590 - a556215ed74f X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.69 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:47437 Archived-At: --===============0434391583== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363ba66059fe4a0462efe6ac --0016363ba66059fe4a0462efe6ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Idris Samawi Hamid =D8=A7=D8=AF=D8=B1=D9= =8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D9=88=D9=8A =D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AF < ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: > Hi, > > > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:17:26 -0700, Ilda Khaki > wrote: > > I am trying to compare the results of Arabic typesetting between differe= nt >> TeX engines to decide the best one. Can anyone send a samplwe file for >> typesetting Arabic in Plain TeX over luatex where the alphabets are not >> isolated? >> > > 1. Mixed-up categories: Plain TeX is a macropackage, luaTeX is an engine. No. It is not. When someone uses Plain TeX in an engine, he would say Plain TeX over the engine-name. It seems you know very little about Plain TeX. > > > 2. Your question is way too general. You could use ArabTeX with the > original TeX engine, and there are other systems out there too... No. It seems you did not understand my question at all. If I wanted to use arabtex, I would not bother at all to write to this list. > > > 3. For real-life 21'st century practical purposes (viz utf-8 + opentype) > your choices are XeTeX and LuaTeX. > > 4. Without a more precise question I cannot really recommend which way to > go from here. This is a sample file, I am looking for. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \pagedir TRT \bodydir TRT \textdir TRT \pardir TRT \font\test=3Dzar.ttf scaled\magstep0 =D9=87=D9=84 =D8=A7=D9=86=D8=AA =DA=A9=DB=8C=D9=82=DA=A9=D8=9F \end %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% But I do not know how to define the font so that Arabic alphabets are not isolated. --0016363ba66059fe4a0462efe6ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Idris S= amawi Hamid =D8=A7=D8=AF=D8=B1=D9=8A=D8=B3 =D8=B3=D9=85=D8=A7=D9=88=D9=8A = =D8=AD=D8=A7=D9=85=D8=AF <ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote:
Hi,


On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:17:26 -0700, Ilda Khaki <ilda.khaki@gmail.com> wrote:

I am trying to compare the results of Arabic typesetting between different<= br> TeX engines to decide the best one. Can anyone send a samplwe file for
typesetting Arabic in Plain TeX over luatex where the alphabets are not
isolated?

1. Mixed-up categories: Plain TeX is a macropackage, luaTeX is an engine.

No. It is not. When someone uses Plain TeX in an engine= , he would say Plain TeX over the engine-name. It seems you know very littl= e about Plain TeX.
 


2. Your question is way too general. You could use ArabTeX with the origina= l TeX engine, and there are other systems out there too...

No. It seems you did not understand my question at all. If I wanted to= use arabtex, I would not bother at all to write to this list.
 


3. For real-life 21'st century practical purposes (viz utf-8 + opentype= ) your choices are XeTeX and LuaTeX.

4. Without a more precise question I cannot really recommend which way to g= o from here.

This is a sample file, I am looking for.<= br>
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\pagedir TRT \bodydir TRT \textdir = TRT \pardir TRT
\font\test=3Dzar.ttf scaled\magstep0

=D9=87=D9=84 =D8=A7=D9=86=D8=AA= =DA=A9=DB=8C=D9=82=DA=A9=D8=9F
\end
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%= %

But I do not know how to define the font so that Arabic alphabets = are not isolated.
 

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