* Referencing footnotes by SECTION
@ 2018-06-30 21:04 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2018-06-30 21:04 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
2018-07-02 6:58 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2018-06-30 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dear gang,
When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to
include the chapter information? See attached and below:
=======
\setuphead[chapter] [alternative=normal,conversion=R]
\setuphead[subsection][alternative=text]
\setuphead[subsection][distance=0em,
textdistance=0.7em,
sectionstopper=.,
criterium=local]
\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
[prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace]
\setupwhitespace[big]
\starttext
\startchapter[title={First},reference={}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote1]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}
See \in{Footnote}[footnote2].
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter
\startchapter[title={Second}]
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}]
\input ward
\stopsubsection
\startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}]
\input ward
\startfootnote[footnote2]
\input ward
\stopfootnote{}
See \in{Footnote}[footnote1].
\stopsubsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
=======
If line 8 is commented -
\setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter]
- we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an ambiguity:
Both references give back
"Footnote 1"
Whereas what we would like is something like this:
Footnote I.1
i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and
Footnote II.1
i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote.
Is there a straightforward way to do this?
[[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the
reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where
\definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n]
\setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default]
[prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace,
numberconversionset=OLIE]
doesn't seem to work.]]
Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide!
Best wishes
Idris
--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80512
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION 2018-06-30 21:04 Referencing footnotes by SECTION Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2018-06-30 21:04 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 2018-07-02 6:58 ` Wolfgang Schuster 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2018-06-30 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2588 bytes --] Attached! On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 15:04:02 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu> wrote: > Dear gang, > > When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to > include the chapter information? See attached and below: > > ======= > \setuphead[chapter] [alternative=normal,conversion=R] > \setuphead[subsection][alternative=text] > \setuphead[subsection][distance=0em, > textdistance=0.7em, > sectionstopper=., > criterium=local] > > \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter] > > \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default] > [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace] > > \setupwhitespace[big] > \starttext > > \startchapter[title={First},reference={}] > \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}] > \input ward > \startfootnote[footnote1] > \input ward > \stopfootnote{} > > See \in{Footnote}[footnote2]. > \stopsubsection > \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}] > \input ward > \stopsubsection > \stopchapter > > \startchapter[title={Second}] > \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}] > \input ward > \stopsubsection > \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}] > \input ward > \startfootnote[footnote2] > \input ward > \stopfootnote{} > > See \in{Footnote}[footnote1]. > \stopsubsection > \stopchapter > \stoptext > ======= > > If line 8 is commented - > \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter] > - we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an > ambiguity: Both references give back > > "Footnote 1" > > Whereas what we would like is something like this: > > Footnote I.1 > > i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and > > Footnote II.1 > > i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote. > > Is there a straightforward way to do this? > > [[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the > reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where > > \definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n] > \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default] > [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace, > numberconversionset=OLIE] > > doesn't seem to work.]] > > Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide! > > Best wishes > Idris -- Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80512 [-- Attachment #2: scratch.tex --] [-- Type: application/x-tex, Size: 1107 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: scratch.pdf --] [-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 17071 bytes --] [-- Attachment #4: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION 2018-06-30 21:04 Referencing footnotes by SECTION Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 2018-06-30 21:04 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2018-07-02 6:58 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2018-07-02 12:34 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-07-02 6:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2531 bytes --] Hi Idris, you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key: \setupnotation [footnote] [prefix=yes, %prefixsegments=chapter, way=bychapter] Wolfgang > Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <mailto:Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu> > 30. Juni 2018 um 23:04 > Dear gang, > > When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to > include the chapter information? See attached and below: > > ======= > \setuphead[chapter] [alternative=normal,conversion=R] > \setuphead[subsection][alternative=text] > \setuphead[subsection][distance=0em, > textdistance=0.7em, > sectionstopper=., > criterium=local] > > \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter] > > \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default] > [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace] > > \setupwhitespace[big] > \starttext > > \startchapter[title={First},reference={}] > \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}] > \input ward > \startfootnote[footnote1] > \input ward > \stopfootnote{} > > See \in{Footnote}[footnote2]. > \stopsubsection > \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}] > \input ward > \stopsubsection > \stopchapter > > \startchapter[title={Second}] > \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}] > \input ward > \stopsubsection > \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}] > \input ward > \startfootnote[footnote2] > \input ward > \stopfootnote{} > > See \in{Footnote}[footnote1]. > \stopsubsection > \stopchapter > \stoptext > ======= > > If line 8 is commented - > \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter] > - we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an > ambiguity: Both references give back > > "Footnote 1" > > Whereas what we would like is something like this: > > Footnote I.1 > > i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and > > Footnote II.1 > > i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote. > > Is there a straightforward way to do this? > > [[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the > reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where > > \definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n] > \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default] > [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace, > numberconversionset=OLIE] > > doesn't seem to work.]] > > Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide! > > Best wishes > Idris [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3876 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION 2018-07-02 6:58 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-07-02 12:34 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 2018-07-02 13:21 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2018-07-02 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4139 bytes --] Hi Wolfgang, On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:58:44 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Idris, > > you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key: > > \setupnotation > [footnote] > [prefix=yes, > %prefixsegments=chapter, > way=bychapter] Many thanks for this. There is an unwanted side-effect: Let marker = main-text footnote marker header = numeral for footnote header reference = reference numeral The prefix appears in three places, e.g., marker - II.1 header - II.1 reference - II.1 but we only want the prefix in the reference, not anywhere else, e.g., marker - 1 header - 1 reference - II.1 The prefix in the main-text marker and in the footnote header are superfluous, e.g., the reader already knows which chapter one is reading. But to reference a footnote from a later chapter, a prefix is needed to let the reader know which chapter. So the question is: Can the prefix be made to apply only to the reference and not the marker or notation header? ============== Observation: For endnotes at the end of a book having the prefix in the header is also useful, i.e., marker - 1 header - II.1 reference - II.1 So a general mechanism to set the prefix for each of the above three would be useful. If not currently supported, would like to make this a feature request. ============== Thank you again, Wolfgang. Best wishes Idris >> Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <mailto:Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu> >> 30. Juni 2018 um 23:04 >> Dear gang, >> >> When referencing footnotes that reset each chapter, is there a way to >> include the chapter information? See attached and below: >> >> ======= >> \setuphead[chapter] [alternative=normal,conversion=R] >> \setuphead[subsection][alternative=text] >> \setuphead[subsection][distance=0em, >> textdistance=0.7em, >> sectionstopper=., >> criterium=local] >> >> \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter] >> >> \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default] >> [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace] >> >> \setupwhitespace[big] >> \starttext >> >> \startchapter[title={First},reference={}] >> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference1}] >> \input ward >> \startfootnote[footnote1] >> \input ward >> \stopfootnote{} >> >> See \in{Footnote}[footnote2]. >> \stopsubsection >> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference2}] >> \input ward >> \stopsubsection >> \stopchapter >> >> \startchapter[title={Second}] >> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference3}] >> \input ward >> \stopsubsection >> \startsubsection[title={},reference={reference5}] >> \input ward >> \startfootnote[footnote2] >> \input ward >> \stopfootnote{} >> >> See \in{Footnote}[footnote1]. >> \stopsubsection >> \stopchapter >> \stoptext >> ======= >> >> If line 8 is commented - >> \setupnotation[footnote][way=bychapter] >> - we get what we expect. But if line 8 is activated, we get an >> ambiguity: Both references give back >> >> "Footnote 1" >> >> Whereas what we would like is something like this: >> >> Footnote I.1 >> >> i.e., Chapter I, Footnote 1 - for the first footnote; and >> >> Footnote II.1 >> >> i.e., Chapter II, Footnote 1 - for the second footnote. >> >> Is there a straightforward way to do this? >> >> [[Of course, for the roman chapter numbering we also run into the >> reference-numberconversionset issue of the other thread, where >> >> \definestructureconversionset[OLIE][n,R,n,n,n,n][n] >> \setupreferencestructureprefix [section] [default] >> [prefixstopper=\zerowidthspace, >> numberconversionset=OLIE] >> >> doesn't seem to work.]] >> >> Thank you in advance for any guidance or pointers you can provide! >> >> Best wishes >> Idris > -- Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80512 [-- Attachment #2: reference-footnotes.pdf --] [-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 17284 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION 2018-07-02 12:34 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2018-07-02 13:21 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2018-07-02 13:41 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-07-02 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2160 bytes --] > > Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <mailto:Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu> > 2. Juli 2018 um 14:34 > Hi Wolfgang, > > On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:58:44 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster > <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Idris, >> >> you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key: >> >> \setupnotation >> [footnote] >> [prefix=yes, >> %prefixsegments=chapter, >> way=bychapter] > > Many thanks for this. There is an unwanted side-effect: Let > > marker = main-text footnote marker > header = numeral for footnote header > reference = reference numeral > > The prefix appears in three places, e.g., > > marker - II.1 > header - II.1 > reference - II.1 > > but we only want the prefix in the reference, not anywhere else, e.g., > > marker - 1 > header - 1 > reference - II.1 > > The prefix in the main-text marker and in the footnote header are > superfluous, e.g., the reader already knows which chapter one is > reading. But to reference a footnote from a later chapter, a prefix is > needed to let the reader know which chapter. > > So the question is: Can the prefix be made to apply only to the > reference and not the marker or notation header? You have to set different prefixsegments settings for the note entries and the references. \defineconversionset [OLIE] [n,R,n,n,n,n] [n] \setuphead [sectionconversionset=OLIE] \setupnotation [footnote] [prefix=yes, prefixset=none] \setupreferencestructureprefix [footnote] [default] [prefixsegments=chapter, prefixset=all] \starttext \chapter{Chapter} Hey\footnote[listen]{This is a footnote.} See \in{footnote}[listen]. \stoptext > ============== > Observation: > > For endnotes at the end of a book having the prefix in the header is > also useful, i.e., > > marker - 1 > header - II.1 > reference - II.1 > > So a general mechanism to set the prefix for each of the above three > would be useful. > > If not currently supported, would like to make this a feature request. > ============== I don’t think this is possible because marker and header share the same counter setups. Wolfgang [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3867 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Referencing footnotes by SECTION 2018-07-02 13:21 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-07-02 13:41 ` Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد @ 2018-07-02 13:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 07:21:19 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote: >> Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد <mailto:Idris.Hamid@colostate.edu> >> 2. Juli 2018 um 14:34 >> Hi Wolfgang, >> >> On Mon, 02 Jul 2018 00:58:44 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster >> <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Idris, >>> >>> you can enable the display of chapter numbers with the prefix-key: >>> >>> \setupnotation >>> [footnote] >>> [prefix=yes, >>> %prefixsegments=chapter, >>> way=bychapter] >> >> Many thanks for this. There is an unwanted side-effect: Let >> >> marker = main-text footnote marker >> header = numeral for footnote header >> reference = reference numeral >> >> The prefix appears in three places, e.g., >> >> marker - II.1 >> header - II.1 >> reference - II.1 >> >> but we only want the prefix in the reference, not anywhere else, e.g., >> >> marker - 1 >> header - 1 >> reference - II.1 >> >> The prefix in the main-text marker and in the footnote header are >> superfluous, e.g., the reader already knows which chapter one is >> reading. But to reference a footnote from a later chapter, a prefix is >> needed to let the reader know which chapter. >> >> So the question is: Can the prefix be made to apply only to the >> reference and not the marker or notation header? > > You have to set different prefixsegments settings for the note entries > and the references. > > > \defineconversionset [OLIE] [n,R,n,n,n,n] [n] > > \setuphead > [sectionconversionset=OLIE] > > \setupnotation > [footnote] > [prefix=yes, > prefixset=none] > > \setupreferencestructureprefix > [footnote] > [default] > [prefixsegments=chapter, > prefixset=all] > > \starttext > > \chapter{Chapter} > > Hey\footnote[listen]{This is a footnote.} > > See \in{footnote}[listen]. > > \stoptext Excellent; this is a big help. Many thanks! >> ============== >> Observation: >> >> For endnotes at the end of a book having the prefix in the header is >> also useful, i.e., >> >> marker - 1 >> header - II.1 >> reference - II.1 >> >> So a general mechanism to set the prefix for each of the above three >> would be useful. >> >> If not currently supported, would like to make this a feature request. >> ============== > > I don’t think this is possible because marker and header share the same > counter setups. Ok, that makes sense. As always, thank you for your pointers and explanations! Best wishes Idris -- Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80512 ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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