From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/86100 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Blackstone Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Simpleton bibliography Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:24 +0100 Message-ID: <5BEEF7F5-8580-4DB3-AF1D-0D4693195000@gmail.com> References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2146057079==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390738886 1514 80.91.229.3 (26 Jan 2014 12:21:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 12:21:26 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Jan 26 13:21:34 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.229]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W7OiU-0006vo-DR for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F14E101EE; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:33 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id AYRWJcQYG+Z4; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:27 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AEA101E6; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:27 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86C4101E6 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:26 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 0uDtylu4QAOP for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:26 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter5-til.mf.surf.net (filter5-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.221]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F48101E1 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:25 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.5]) by filter5-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id s0QCLO75013672 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:25 +0100 Original-Received: from cpsps-ews01.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.168]) by cpsmtpb-ews02.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:24 +0100 Original-Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.21]) by cpsps-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:24 +0100 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([81.204.112.68]) by CPSMTPM-CMT105.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:21:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2014 12:21:24.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[21331650:01CF1A91] X-RcptDomain: ntg.nl X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: ntg-context@ntg.nl, base:default, @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.75.39.5; country=NL; latitude=52.5000; longitude=5.7500; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.5000,5.7500&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0WLiAlpgp - 6ca5f8431800 - 20140126 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.221 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:86100 Archived-At: --===============2146057079== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3542E5F9-EC6B-4187-8334-AE540D4194E7" --Apple-Mail=_3542E5F9-EC6B-4187-8334-AE540D4194E7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 26 Jan 2014, at 12:00 , john Culleton wrote >=20 > Question 1: What are the other options for > \setupbtxrendering and what do they do? (In my > world Bibliographies are seldom numbered.) >=20 > Question 2: Suppose I want to follow a different > standard, other than APA, such as harvard or > Chicago or whatever: where do I code that > choice and how? Are bst files still in play? >=20 > Question 3: url is mentioned. Does that mean that > url can actually used as a data field name? >=20 Hi, I have struggled with Bibliographies and almost gave up, because of the = non-standard, and changing, style requirements (like apa but different = in details, with, moreover, three different styles for citations in = footnotes: full data, a shorter version and a still shorter version, the = latter probably (authoryear), but I'm still not sure). In the end I used for everything the category "booklet", which is less = of a straitjacket than the other categories. It gives you the freedom = to put some extra details (if needed) in the title and also to style the = "author" the way you want (for example Last name, First name or Last = name, initials, or Initials Last name or whatever you want.)=20 You can also use urls there, as far as I know. For consistency you would still need a bibl style file, for which I used = a tweaked version of bibl-apa.tex. (which is in = ~//tex/texmf-context/tex/context/bib) And a last thing: I input not the BibTeX database but the .bbl which I = generate separately. I can tweak that if necessary or to add specific = features, like horizontal lines in the Bibliography for repeated author = names. (Another requirement which I personally don't like). Maybe all this is rather unworthy of ConTeXt but it is comparatively = easy to accomplish and it works. I hope it helps. Best regards, Robert Blackstone =20= --Apple-Mail=_3542E5F9-EC6B-4187-8334-AE540D4194E7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii John@wexfordpress.com>= wrote

Question 1: What are the other = options for
\setupbtxrendering and what do they do? (In my
world = Bibliographies are seldom numbered.)

Question 2: Suppose I want = to follow a different
standard, other than APA, such as harvard = or
Chicago or whatever: where do I code that
choice and how? Are = bst files still in play?

Question 3: url is mentioned. Does that = mean that
url can actually used as a data field = name?

I have struggled with = Bibliographies and almost gave up, because of the non-standard, and = changing, style requirements (like apa but different in details, with, = moreover, three different styles for citations in footnotes: full data, = a shorter version and a still shorter version, the latter probably = (authoryear), but I'm still not sure).

In the end I used for = everything the category "booklet", which is less of a  straitjacket = than the other categories. It gives you the freedom to put some extra = details (if needed) in the title and also to style the "author" the way = you want (for example Last name, First name  or Last name, = initials, or Initials Last name or whatever you want.) 
You can also use urls there, as far as I = know.

For consistency you would still need a bibl = style file, for which I used a tweaked version of bibl-apa.tex. (which = is in = ~/<context-minimal>/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/bib)


Maybe all this is rather unworthy of ConTeXt = but it is comparatively easy to accomplish and it works.

I = hope it helps.

Best regards,

Robert = Blackstone