From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/34263 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Valle Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: The ConTeXt Companion Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:40:27 +0200 Message-ID: <5E092A07-5A9D-4680-B1C3-DF506A63E12F@di.unito.it> References: <46F27D63-3A0F-44A1-BE96-A7F975C832BD@ensta.fr> <83E3B53E-549B-4ABB-A661-34FBD35C49B4@jhnet.nl> <461F5E11.3070704@web.de> <4620F267.9030301@web.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0387712579==" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176565280 19904 80.91.229.12 (14 Apr 2007 15:41:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:41:20 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Apr 14 17:41:11 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HckND-00036h-4a for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:41:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507842002D; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:41:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23503-01-6; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:40:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5EE20024; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:40:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD0720024 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23503-01-5 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:40:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from pianeta.di.unito.it (pianeta.di.unito.it [130.192.156.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184A52001A for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:40:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] (d83-184-26-132.cust.tele2.it [83.184.26.132]) by pianeta.di.unito.it (INFO-DIP) with ESMTP id l3EFecem011914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO userCertificateDN= AuthenticatedUser=valle ) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:40:39 +0200 (MEST) In-Reply-To: <4620F267.9030301@web.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-dipinfo-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Department of Computer Science technical staff for more information X-AntiVirus: Scanned for viruses by VirusFinder @2001-tecnici@di.unito.it - Email Clean X-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-100.652, required 3.5, autolearn=not spam, AUTHENTICATEDUSER -100.00, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL 1.95) X-MailScanner-From: valle@di.unito.it X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:34263 Archived-At: --===============0387712579== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23-689531842 --Apple-Mail-23-689531842 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > With ConTeXt there is, of course, the "excursion" (equiv. to (1)) and > the manual (2), but many important issues (the phantastic XML =20 > processing > capabilities, bibliography stuff, typography, font management,...) are > not quite complete or covered elsewhere (i.e. situation 3). I totally agree. There are of course documents about the last topics =20 you mention (not to talk about the mailing list, of course), but they seems to need a more general introduction, at least for =20 me. I'd like to have a book covering all the aspects so that you a conceptual frame which unifies =20= the whole stuff. Then, you can procede by yourself in a more organized way. By the way, a similar issue has been raised about SuperCollider, =20 which in my esperience is similar for documentation to ConTeXt. Many deep documents, a huge work by the developers, some good intro/=20 tutorial, but no a complete book. The situation has now evolved in a project about a SC book which has =20 been submitted to MIT Press. In any case, I cannot understand how people can go back to LaTeX, I =20 mean from a user's perpsective. I'm a total ConTeXt ignorant but, =20 just using setups, I've created A1 musical scores involving metapost =20 and importing external files, A0 academic posters using layers so =20 much better then powerpoint, an on-going book full of syntax =20 colorized code...I just wouldn't started with LaTeX :-) Best -a- > Ulf > > > _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Universit=E0 degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who =20= doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this =20 guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with =20 me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss =20 Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong) --Apple-Mail-23-689531842 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

With ConTeXt there is, of course, the "excursion" = (equiv. to (1)) and
the manual (2), but many = important issues (the phantastic XML processing
capabilities, bibliography stuff, typography, font = management,...) are
not quite complete or = covered elsewhere (i.e. situation 3).

I totally agree. There are of = course documents about the last topics you mention (not to talk about = the mailing list, of course),
=A0but=A0they seems to need a = more general introduction,=A0 at least for me. I'd like to have a = book
covering all the aspects so that you a conceptual frame = which unifies the whole stuff. Then, you can procede by yourself = in
a more organized way.

By the way, a similar issue = has been raised about SuperCollider, which in my esperience is similar = for documentation to ConTeXt.
Many deep documents, a huge work = by the developers, some good intro/tutorial, but no a complete = book.
The situation has now evolved in a project about a SC = book which has been=A0submitted to MIT Press.

In any case, I cannot = understand how people can go back to LaTeX, I mean from a user's = perpsective. I'm a total ConTeXt ignorant but, just using setups, I've = created A1 musical scores involving metapost and importing external = files, A0 academic posters=A0using layers so much better then = powerpoint, an on-going book full of syntax colorized code...I just = wouldn't started with LaTeX :-)


Best

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I did this interview where I just = mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in = university, right? I was in this strip = club giving this guy a lap = dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault = with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can = discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much = information.
(Annabel = Chong)



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