* Quotation with footnote
@ 2020-09-04 11:25 Henning Hraban Ramm
2020-09-04 13:34 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2020-09-04 14:04 ` Taco Hoekwater
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-04 11:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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My current book contains a lot of quotations with their sources marked as footnotes, e.g.
\definedelimitedtext[Zitat][
%setups=Zitat, % doesn’t work!?
left=»,
right=«,
leftmargin=2em,
rightmargin=1.5em,
]
\startZitat
A rose is a rose is a rose.\footnote{Marx brothers}
\stopZitat
Now, since the quotations are whole sentences or paragraphs, the footnote marker needs to be placed _after_ the closing quotation mark. (German typography, I learned it’s different at least in US English.)
I tried several approaches e.g. with my own single start/stop macros that call \start/stopnarrower or \start/stopZitat – that always lead to unclosed environments.
* Only the delimitedtext approach gives a hanging opening quotation mark (which looks nice and I’d like to have).
* \stopnarrower within a macro doesn’t seem to work (all following text stays narrower).
* I can’t get rid of that space introduced by the CR before \stop – didn’t find a place where \gobblespacetokens works, maybe that’s the wrong command.
Most preferred would be a solution that checked if there’s a footnote in front of \stopZitat and would put the closing quotation mark in front instead of after. Without a footnote it would just place the mark.
Something like \stopZitat\footnote{...} would also be nice, but I guess that’s too far outside of TeX’s logic.
In the worst case I’d need to typeset the closing mark manually.
Some hints please?
Hraban
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread* Re: Quotation with footnote 2020-09-04 11:25 Quotation with footnote Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-04 13:34 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2020-09-04 14:20 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2020-09-04 14:04 ` Taco Hoekwater 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-04 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Am 04.09.2020 um 13:25 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>: > > My current book contains a lot of quotations with their sources marked as footnotes, e.g. > > > \definedelimitedtext[Zitat][ > %setups=Zitat, % doesn’t work!? > left=», > right=«, > leftmargin=2em, > rightmargin=1.5em, > ] > > \startZitat > A rose is a rose is a rose.\footnote{Marx brothers} > \stopZitat > > > Now, since the quotations are whole sentences or paragraphs, the footnote marker needs to be placed _after_ the closing quotation mark. (German typography, I learned it’s different at least in US English.) > > I tried several approaches e.g. with my own single start/stop macros that call \start/stopnarrower or \start/stopZitat – that always lead to unclosed environments. This looks as I want it to: \setupnarrower[left=2em,right=1.5em] \startnarrower \hskip-0.33em\quotation{Im übrigen ist der Mensch ein Lebewesen, das klopft, schlechte Musik macht und seinen Hund bellen läßt. Manchmal gibt er auch Ruhe, aber dann ist er tot.}\footnote[f:9]{Kaspar Hauser (Kurt Tucholsky), Weltbühne 24, 16.\,6.\,1931} \stopnarrower But how can I make that into a single environment? Hraban ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Quotation with footnote 2020-09-04 13:34 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-04 14:20 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2020-09-04 15:03 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2020-09-04 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Henning Hraban Ramm Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 04.09.2020 um 15:34: >> Am 04.09.2020 um 13:25 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>: >> >> My current book contains a lot of quotations with their sources marked as footnotes, e.g. >> >> >> \definedelimitedtext[Zitat][ >> %setups=Zitat, % doesn’t work!? >> left=», >> right=«, >> leftmargin=2em, >> rightmargin=1.5em, >> ] >> >> \startZitat >> A rose is a rose is a rose.\footnote{Marx brothers} >> \stopZitat >> >> >> Now, since the quotations are whole sentences or paragraphs, the footnote marker needs to be placed _after_ the closing quotation mark. (German typography, I learned it’s different at least in US English.) >> >> I tried several approaches e.g. with my own single start/stop macros that call \start/stopnarrower or \start/stopZitat – that always lead to unclosed environments. > This looks as I want it to: > > \setupnarrower[left=2em,right=1.5em] > > \startnarrower > \hskip-0.33em\quotation{Im übrigen ist der Mensch ein Lebewesen, das klopft, schlechte Musik macht und seinen Hund bellen läßt. Manchmal gibt er auch Ruhe, aber dann ist er tot.}\footnote[f:9]{Kaspar Hauser (Kurt Tucholsky), Weltbühne 24, 16.\,6.\,1931} > \stopnarrower > > But how can I make that into a single environment? \startsetups [userdata:myquote] \startnarrow [left=2em,right=1.5em] %\dontleavehmode\llap{\symbol[leftquotation]}\getinlineuserdata\symbol[rightquotation] \symbol[leftquotation]\getinlineuserdata\symbol[rightquotation] \doifsomething{\userdataparameter{source}} {\footnote[\userdataparameter{reference}]{\userdataparameter{source}}} \stopnarrow \stopsetups \defineuserdataalternative [myquote] [renderingsetup=userdata:myquote] \defineuserdata [myquote] [alternative=myquote] \showframe \definefontfeature [default] [default] [protrusion=quality] \setupalign [hanging] \starttext \startuserdata [myquote] [reference={f:9},source={Kaspar Hauser (Kurt Tucholsky), Weltbühne 24, 16.\,6.\,1931}] Im übrigen ist der Mensch ein Lebewesen, das klopft, schlechte Musik macht und seinen Hund bellen läßt. Manchmal gibt er auch Ruhe, aber dann ist er tot. \stopuserdata \stoptext Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Quotation with footnote 2020-09-04 14:20 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2020-09-04 15:03 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-04 15:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Am 04.09.2020 um 16:20 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com>: > > \startsetups [userdata:myquote] > \startnarrow [left=2em,right=1.5em] > %\dontleavehmode\llap{\symbol[leftquotation]}\getinlineuserdata\symbol[rightquotation] > \symbol[leftquotation]\getinlineuserdata\symbol[rightquotation] > \doifsomething{\userdataparameter{source}} > {\footnote[\userdataparameter{reference}]{\userdataparameter{source}}} > \stopnarrow > \stopsetups > > \defineuserdataalternative > [myquote] > [renderingsetup=userdata:myquote] > > \defineuserdata > [myquote] > [alternative=myquote] > > \showframe > > \definefontfeature [default] [default] [protrusion=quality] > > \setupalign [hanging] > > \starttext > > \startuserdata [myquote] [reference={f:9},source={Kaspar Hauser (Kurt Tucholsky), Weltbühne 24, 16.\,6.\,1931}] > Im übrigen ist der Mensch ein Lebewesen, das klopft, schlechte Musik macht und seinen Hund bellen läßt. Manchmal gibt er auch Ruhe, aber dann ist er tot. > \stopuserdata > > \stoptext Thank you! This is quite sophisticated and I’ll keep it for next time, but for my current book, Taco’s solutions needs less adaption. Hraban ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Quotation with footnote 2020-09-04 11:25 Quotation with footnote Henning Hraban Ramm 2020-09-04 13:34 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-04 14:04 ` Taco Hoekwater 2020-09-04 15:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2020-09-16 9:50 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2020-09-04 14:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Something like this? \definenarrower[myquote] \setupnarrower[myquote] [left=2em, right=1.5em, before=\dontleavehmode\hskip-0.33em\startquote, after=\stopquote] \startmyquote Im übrigen ist der Mensch ein Lebewesen, das klopft, schlechte Musik macht und seinen Hund bellen läßt. Manchmal gibt er auch Ruhe, aber dann ist er tot. \stopmyquote \footnote[f:9]{Kaspar Hauser (Kurt Tucholsky), Weltbühne 24, 16.\,6.\,1931} But there may be smarter solutions. Best wishes, Taco > On 4 Sep 2020, at 13:25, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote: > > My current book contains a lot of quotations with their sources marked as footnotes, e.g. > > > \definedelimitedtext[Zitat][ > %setups=Zitat, % doesn’t work!? > left=», > right=«, > leftmargin=2em, > rightmargin=1.5em, > ] > > \startZitat > A rose is a rose is a rose.\footnote{Marx brothers} > \stopZitat > > > Now, since the quotations are whole sentences or paragraphs, the footnote marker needs to be placed _after_ the closing quotation mark. (German typography, I learned it’s different at least in US English.) > > I tried several approaches e.g. with my own single start/stop macros that call \start/stopnarrower or \start/stopZitat – that always lead to unclosed environments. > > * Only the delimitedtext approach gives a hanging opening quotation mark (which looks nice and I’d like to have). > > * \stopnarrower within a macro doesn’t seem to work (all following text stays narrower). > > * I can’t get rid of that space introduced by the CR before \stop – didn’t find a place where \gobblespacetokens works, maybe that’s the wrong command. > > > Most preferred would be a solution that checked if there’s a footnote in front of \stopZitat and would put the closing quotation mark in front instead of after. Without a footnote it would just place the mark. > > Something like \stopZitat\footnote{...} would also be nice, but I guess that’s too far outside of TeX’s logic. > > In the worst case I’d need to typeset the closing mark manually. > > Some hints please? > > Hraban > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ Taco Hoekwater Elvenkind BV ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Quotation with footnote 2020-09-04 14:04 ` Taco Hoekwater @ 2020-09-04 15:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2020-09-16 9:50 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-04 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Am 04.09.2020 um 16:04 schrieb Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>: > > Something like this? > > \definenarrower[myquote] > \setupnarrower[myquote] > [left=2em, > right=1.5em, > before=\dontleavehmode\hskip-0.33em\startquote, > after=\stopquote] > > \startmyquote > Im übrigen ist der Mensch ein Lebewesen, das klopft, schlechte Musik macht und seinen Hund bellen läßt. Manchmal gibt er auch Ruhe, aber dann ist er tot. > \stopmyquote \footnote[f:9]{Kaspar Hauser (Kurt Tucholsky), Weltbühne 24, 16.\,6.\,1931} > > But there may be smarter solutions. Thank you, that works and requires minimal adaptions to my code. Hraban ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Quotation with footnote 2020-09-04 14:04 ` Taco Hoekwater 2020-09-04 15:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-16 9:50 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2020-09-16 9:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 04.09.2020 um 16:04 schrieb Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>: > \definenarrower[myquote] > \setupnarrower[myquote] > [left=2em, > right=1.5em, > before=\dontleavehmode\hskip-0.33em\startquote, > after=\stopquote] > > \startmyquote > Im übrigen ist der Mensch ein Lebewesen, das klopft, schlechte Musik macht und seinen Hund bellen läßt. Manchmal gibt er auch Ruhe, aber dann ist er tot. > \stopmyquote \footnote[f:9]{Kaspar Hauser (Kurt Tucholsky), Weltbühne 24, 16.\,6.\,1931} The behaviour changed in current LMTX – I thought, but then I recognized I was accidentally using MkIV from January: If I used \setupdelimitedtext[quotation][method=font] I didn’t get indentation ("narrower") any more. If I didn’t, the footnote marker moved into the next line. Just to document that change – seems to be a fixed bug. Hraban ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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