[NTG-context] table float split behavior

[NTG-context] table float split behavior

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Table floats split in odd places, independent of top/page/here location.

There’s always a first part, then some not-float text, then the other parts.

Even if the table would fit on two pages (with location=page), it always 
gets split into three.

Can I influence this anyhow?

Hraban


\usemodule[visual]

\starttext

\samplefile{tufte}

\startplacetable[location={top,split},title=table split test]
\bTABLE%[setups=twoparamstable]
\bTABLEhead
\bTR\bTH One \eTH\bTH Two\eTH\bTH Three \eTH\eTR
\eTABLEhead
\bTABLEbody
\dorecurse{60}{%
\bTR\bTD #1\eTD\bTD \fakewords{1}{10}\eTD\bTD \fakewords{1}{10}\eTD\eTR
}
\eTABLEbody
\eTABLE
\stopplacetable

\samplefile{knuth}

\stoptext
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[NTG-context] Re: table float split behavior

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

This is a long-time open issue. Am I the only one affected by this?

Also, \bTABLEfoot doesn’t repeat – I’d like to use it e.g for a line (rule).

Also, is it possible to have different captions in first and other parts?

Hraban

Am 17.06.24 um 18:36 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Table floats split in odd places, independent of top/page/here location.
> 
> There’s always a first part, then some not-float text, then the other 
> parts.
> 
> Even if the table would fit on two pages (with location=page), it always 
> gets split into three.
> 
> Can I influence this anyhow?
> 
> Hraban
> 
> 
> \usemodule[visual]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \samplefile{tufte}
> 
> \startplacetable[location={top,split},title=table split test]
> \bTABLE%[setups=twoparamstable]
> \bTABLEhead
> \bTR\bTH One \eTH\bTH Two\eTH\bTH Three \eTH\eTR
> \eTABLEhead
> \bTABLEbody
> \dorecurse{60}{%
> \bTR\bTD #1\eTD\bTD \fakewords{1}{10}\eTD\bTD \fakewords{1}{10}\eTD\eTR
> }
> \eTABLEbody
> \eTABLE
> \stopplacetable
> 
> \samplefile{knuth}
> 
> \stoptext

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[NTG-context] Re: table float split behavior

[Bruce Horrocks]

> On 7 Jul 2024, at 10:51, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
> 
> Also, is it possible to have different captions in first and other parts?


This previous thread might help.
<https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg102641.html>

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Hampshire, UK

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[NTG-context] Re: table float split behavior

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 07.07.24 um 20:22 schrieb Bruce Horrocks:
> 
> 
>> On 7 Jul 2024, at 10:51, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
>>
>> Also, is it possible to have different captions in first and other parts?
> 
> 
> This previous thread might help.
> <https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg102641.html>

Thank you, but that doesn’t fit my use case: In my ConTeXt book, there 
are many long tables of parameters. The caption says “Parameters of 
\setupsomething”, but I’d also give hints like “You can also use the 
parameters of \setupframed, see p.123.”. I’d like to have these hints 
only in the first caption, and they’re different for each table.

It’s not that important, I can move the text somewhere else, but often 
enough in ConTeXt there are obscure features for advanced stuff.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: table float split behavior

[Bruce Horrocks]

> On 7 Jul 2024, at 19:34, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
> 
> Am 07.07.24 um 20:22 schrieb Bruce Horrocks:
>>> On 7 Jul 2024, at 10:51, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also, is it possible to have different captions in first and other parts?
>> This previous thread might help.
>> <https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg102641.html>
> 
> Thank you, but that doesn’t fit my use case: In my ConTeXt book, there are many long tables of parameters. The caption says “Parameters of \setupsomething”, but I’d also give hints like “You can also use the parameters of \setupframed, see p.123.”. I’d like to have these hints only in the first caption, and they’re different for each table.
> 
> It’s not that important, I can move the text somewhere else, but often enough in ConTeXt there are obscure features for advanced stuff.

If I understand you correctly then this does what you want. It's a bit of a hack though.

\defineselector [caption] [max=2]

\starttext

\setupfloatsplitting [inbetween={\setupselector[caption][n=2]}]

\setupselector[caption][n=1]
\placetable[split]
  {\select{caption}
    {Parameters of \type{\setupsomething}. You can also use the parameters of \type{\setupframes}, see page. 123}
    {Parameters of \type{\setupsomething}.}
  }
  {\bTABLE
   \dorecurse{100}{
   \bTR \bTD One \eTD \bTD two \eTD \eTR
   \bTR \bTD One \eTD \bTD two \eTD \eTR
}
\eTABLE}

\stoptext

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Hampshire, UK

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[NTG-context] Re: table float split behavior

[vm via ntg-context]

On 08/07/2024 14:39, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> \defineselector [caption] [max=2]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \setupfloatsplitting [inbetween={\setupselector[caption][n=2]}]
> 
> \setupselector[caption][n=1]
> \placetable[split]
>    {\select{caption}
>      {Parameters of \type{\setupsomething}. You can also use the parameters of \type{\setupframes}, see page. 123}
>      {Parameters of \type{\setupsomething}.}
>    }
>    {\bTABLE
>     \dorecurse{100}{
>     \bTR \bTD One \eTD \bTD two \eTD \eTR
>     \bTR \bTD One \eTD \bTD two \eTD \eTR
> }
> \eTABLE}
> 
> \stoptext


There is a reason that the \recurselevel do not work in this context;
all \recurselevel show up as zero


   {\bTABLE
    \dorecurse{100}{
    \bTR \bTD \recurselevel \eTD \bTD one \eTD \eTR
    \bTR \bTD two \eTD \bTD \recurselevel \eTD \eTR
    }
    \eTABLE}


Any hint?

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[NTG-context] Re: table float split behavior

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 08.07.24 um 14:39 schrieb Bruce Horrocks:
> 
> 
>> On 7 Jul 2024, at 19:34, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
>>
>> Am 07.07.24 um 20:22 schrieb Bruce Horrocks:
>>>> On 7 Jul 2024, at 10:51, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also, is it possible to have different captions in first and other parts?
>>> This previous thread might help.
>>> <https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg102641.html>
>>
>> Thank you, but that doesn’t fit my use case: In my ConTeXt book, there are many long tables of parameters. The caption says “Parameters of \setupsomething”, but I’d also give hints like “You can also use the parameters of \setupframed, see p.123.”. I’d like to have these hints only in the first caption, and they’re different for each table.
>>
>> It’s not that important, I can move the text somewhere else, but often enough in ConTeXt there are obscure features for advanced stuff.
> 
> If I understand you correctly then this does what you want. It's a bit of a hack though.
> 
> \defineselector [caption] [max=2]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \setupfloatsplitting [inbetween={\setupselector[caption][n=2]}]
> 
> \setupselector[caption][n=1]
> \placetable[split]
>    {\select{caption}
>      {Parameters of \type{\setupsomething}. You can also use the parameters of \type{\setupframes}, see page. 123}
>      {Parameters of \type{\setupsomething}.}
>    }
>    {\bTABLE
>     \dorecurse{100}{
>     \bTR \bTD One \eTD \bTD two \eTD \eTR
>     \bTR \bTD One \eTD \bTD two \eTD \eTR
> }
> \eTABLE}
> 
> \stoptext

Thank you, that’s a good idea. (Another mechanism in ConTeXt that I 
didn’t know and need to document…)

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: table float split behavior

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 08.07.24 um 15:48 schrieb vm via ntg-context:
> There is a reason that the \recurselevel do not work in this context;
> all \recurselevel show up as zero
> 
> 
>    {\bTABLE
>     \dorecurse{100}{
>     \bTR \bTD \recurselevel \eTD \bTD one \eTD \eTR
>     \bTR \bTD two \eTD \bTD \recurselevel \eTD \eTR
>     }
>     \eTABLE}
> 
> 
> Any hint?

Something about expansion and maybe buffers.

Try #1, it often works where \recurselevel fails.

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: table float split behavior

[vm via ntg-context]

On 08/07/2024 16:25, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Try #1, it often works where \recurselevel fails.

That gives the intended numbers.
Thank you

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[NTG-context] Re: table float split behavior

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 17.06.24 um 18:36 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Table floats split in odd places, independent of top/page/here location.
> 
> There’s always a first part, then some not-float text, then the other 
> parts.
> 
> Even if the table would fit on two pages (with location=page), it always 
> gets split into three.
> 
> Can I influence this anyhow?

Hans explained in today’s online meeting:

The float location "split" cannot be combined with other locations 
(here, top, bottom, page). "split" alone is like "here"; for "page", use

\startpostponing
\startplacetable[location=split]
\bTABLE
% long table
\eTABLE
\stopplacetable
\stoppostponing

Hraban
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