* maybe OT? ConTeXt on an EEEPC
@ 2008-04-19 9:42 Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-04-19 12:46 ` Hans Hagen
2008-04-20 11:21 ` Otared Kavian
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2008-04-19 9:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dear all,
maybe this is off-topic, but I just wanted to tell you about my
experiences (and sorry if this sounds like a sales pitch, it isn't!).
Since I have a fairly long commute to work, I spend a lot of time on
the train and like/need to do serious work there. When you have to
schlepp it almost every day, a normal laptop seems pretty heavy after
a while, that's why I got me one of those eeepc thingies. Its tiny
screen and small keyboard scream "I'm just a mobile device, not a
replacement for a real computer," and it's not the fastest machine
around. However, my joy is great whenever I stuff the little thing in
my bag and lift it.
I got the 8GB variant. To do work, I always want all my documents with
me (so I can easily sync my entire Documents directory between work,
home, and laptop) and, of course, my TeX installation. My texlive-
texmf tree now is 1.6 G, so I needed a bit more space than the 4G
model offers (models with larger screens and hard disks will be
available soonish). It has a SDHC card reader, so I copied my
Documents and the TeX installation to the internal disk (a SSD) and
have my linux installation on a card from which I boot. With a shell
script, I set the $PATH so I can mount the internal disk and run
ConTeXt off of it. Everything works wonderfully. As I said, it's a
slow machine, so you don't want to compile very long documents too
often, but it does run every flavor of ConTeXt. I often prepare my
presentations on the train, and this works great: I have the
environment to which I'm used for editing the source files (emacs +
ConTeXt) and a pdf viewer open in another workspace. This setup is one
of the reasons why I prefer a texlive installation to a minimal
ConTeXt tree: that way, I have to maintain it only once and can sync
it between my computers. So whoever has to travel a lot: I find it
wonderful to have such a small and light computer on the road.
All best, have a nice weekend
Thomas
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* Re: maybe OT? ConTeXt on an EEEPC
2008-04-19 9:42 maybe OT? ConTeXt on an EEEPC Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2008-04-19 12:46 ` Hans Hagen
2008-04-19 19:05 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-04-20 11:21 ` Otared Kavian
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-04-19 12:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> a while, that's why I got me one of those eeepc thingies. Its tiny
ah, i was considering buying one of those
> screen and small keyboard scream "I'm just a mobile device, not a
> replacement for a real computer," and it's not the fastest machine
> around. However, my joy is great whenever I stuff the little thing in
> my bag and lift it.
>
> I got the 8GB variant. To do work, I always want all my documents with
how does luatex run on it? mem consumption and such ... what is 'slow'?
how many pages per second for a 100 page document? does it connect well
to a beamer?
Hans
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2008-04-19 12:46 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-04-19 19:05 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-04-19 19:18 ` Olivier Guéry
2008-04-19 20:48 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2008-04-19 19:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> how does luatex run on it? mem consumption and such ... what is
> 'slow'?
> how many pages per second for a 100 page document? does it connect
> well
> to a beamer?
>
> Hans
>
OK, just to give you a very rough estimate: here is the time for
compiling my lecture course with mkiv. It's fairly long, but not very
complex; it is written in xml and processed with an environment with
the "new" xml mechanism. My home computer is a mac mini with a 1.83G
intel core 2 duo and 2G RAM; I consider it a fairly fast machine. this
is with the latest luatex + today's beta, after all fonts have been
cached etc.:
time texexec --lua --env=vorlesung-mkiv --mode=default aristophanes.xml
mkiv lua stats : runtime - 26.041 seconds, 271
processed pages, 271 shipped pages, 10.407 pages/second
26.45s user 0.62s system 99% cpu 27.167 total
Now the same run with the same file on my eeepc:
mkiv lua stats : runtime - 71.326 seconds, 271
processed pages, 271 shipped pages, 3.799 pages/second
68.60s user 0.97s system 94% cpu 1:13.94 total
Haven't yet tried connecting it to a projector, but I suspect that the
graphics card may be a bit wimpy.
Thomas
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* Re: maybe OT? ConTeXt on an EEEPC
2008-04-19 19:05 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2008-04-19 19:18 ` Olivier Guéry
2008-04-19 20:49 ` Hans Hagen
2008-04-19 20:48 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Olivier Guéry @ 2008-04-19 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Eee pc wit ubuntu here (and context). Great small computer.
The 900 comes in a few month… 8,9′ and maybe 20Go of ssd… 400€.
Olivier.
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz <
thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>
> On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> >
> > how does luatex run on it? mem consumption and such ... what is
> > 'slow'?
> > how many pages per second for a 100 page document? does it connect
> > well
> > to a beamer?
> >
> > Hans
> >
>
> OK, just to give you a very rough estimate: here is the time for
> compiling my lecture course with mkiv. It's fairly long, but not very
> complex; it is written in xml and processed with an environment with
> the "new" xml mechanism. My home computer is a mac mini with a 1.83G
> intel core 2 duo and 2G RAM; I consider it a fairly fast machine. this
> is with the latest luatex + today's beta, after all fonts have been
> cached etc.:
>
> time texexec --lua --env=vorlesung-mkiv --mode=default aristophanes.xml
>
> mkiv lua stats : runtime - 26.041 seconds, 271
> processed pages, 271 shipped pages, 10.407 pages/second
>
> 26.45s user 0.62s system 99% cpu 27.167 total
>
> Now the same run with the same file on my eeepc:
>
> mkiv lua stats : runtime - 71.326 seconds, 271
> processed pages, 271 shipped pages, 3.799 pages/second
>
> 68.60s user 0.97s system 94% cpu 1:13.94 total
>
> Haven't yet tried connecting it to a projector, but I suspect that the
> graphics card may be a bit wimpy.
>
> Thomas
>
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* Re: maybe OT? ConTeXt on an EEEPC
2008-04-19 19:05 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-04-19 19:18 ` Olivier Guéry
@ 2008-04-19 20:48 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-04-19 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> how does luatex run on it? mem consumption and such ... what is
>> 'slow'?
>> how many pages per second for a 100 page document? does it connect
>> well
>> to a beamer?
>>
>> Hans
>>
>
> OK, just to give you a very rough estimate: here is the time for
> compiling my lecture course with mkiv. It's fairly long, but not very
> complex; it is written in xml and processed with an environment with
> the "new" xml mechanism. My home computer is a mac mini with a 1.83G
> intel core 2 duo and 2G RAM; I consider it a fairly fast machine. this
> is with the latest luatex + today's beta, after all fonts have been
> cached etc.:
>
> time texexec --lua --env=vorlesung-mkiv --mode=default aristophanes.xml
>
> mkiv lua stats : runtime - 26.041 seconds, 271
> processed pages, 271 shipped pages, 10.407 pages/second
ok, 10p/s is as expected (given taco and my timings with test documents
of average complexity)
> 26.45s user 0.62s system 99% cpu 27.167 total
>
> Now the same run with the same file on my eeepc:
>
> mkiv lua stats : runtime - 71.326 seconds, 271
> processed pages, 271 shipped pages, 3.799 pages/second
>
> 68.60s user 0.97s system 94% cpu 1:13.94 total
not that bad, given that the machine runs on 500mhz
Hans
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* Re: maybe OT? ConTeXt on an EEEPC
2008-04-19 9:42 maybe OT? ConTeXt on an EEEPC Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-04-19 12:46 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-04-20 11:21 ` Otared Kavian
2008-04-20 13:18 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Otared Kavian @ 2008-04-20 11:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
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How about the MacBook Air?…
It is some 1300 grams (but indeed more expensive).
Best regards: OK
On 19 avr. 08, at 11:42, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> maybe this is off-topic, but I just wanted to tell you about my
> experiences (and sorry if this sounds like a sales pitch, it isn't!).
> Since I have a fairly long commute to work, I spend a lot of time on
> the train and like/need to do serious work there. When you have to
> schlepp it almost every day, a normal laptop seems pretty heavy after
> a while, that's why I got me one of those eeepc thingies. Its tiny
> screen and small keyboard scream "I'm just a mobile device, not a
> replacement for a real computer," and it's not the fastest machine
> around. However, my joy is great whenever I stuff the little thing in
> my bag and lift it.
>
> I got the 8GB variant. To do work, I always want all my documents with
> me (so I can easily sync my entire Documents directory between work,
> home, and laptop) and, of course, my TeX installation. My texlive-
> texmf tree now is 1.6 G, so I needed a bit more space than the 4G
> model offers (models with larger screens and hard disks will be
> available soonish). It has a SDHC card reader, so I copied my
> Documents and the TeX installation to the internal disk (a SSD) and
> have my linux installation on a card from which I boot. With a shell
> script, I set the $PATH so I can mount the internal disk and run
> ConTeXt off of it. Everything works wonderfully. As I said, it's a
> slow machine, so you don't want to compile very long documents too
> often, but it does run every flavor of ConTeXt. I often prepare my
> presentations on the train, and this works great: I have the
> environment to which I'm used for editing the source files (emacs +
> ConTeXt) and a pdf viewer open in another workspace. This setup is one
> of the reasons why I prefer a texlive installation to a minimal
> ConTeXt tree: that way, I have to maintain it only once and can sync
> it between my computers. So whoever has to travel a lot: I find it
> wonderful to have such a small and light computer on the road.
>
> All best, have a nice weekend
>
> Thomas
>
>
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* Re: maybe OT? ConTeXt on an EEEPC
2008-04-20 11:21 ` Otared Kavian
@ 2008-04-20 13:18 ` Hans Hagen
2008-04-20 14:33 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-04-20 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Otared Kavian wrote:
> How about the MacBook Air?…
> It is some 1300 grams (but indeed more expensive).
indeed much more expensive (my current workhorse is a dell M90); i have
a 17 in mac sitting dead on a desk for year snow ... too closed
hard/software to figure out the problem (i could have bought 10 EEEPC's
for the money)
anyhow, for me the ieee solution sounds like a nice way to carry tex to
a conference instead of a production machine -)
Hans
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2008-04-20 13:18 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-04-20 14:33 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2008-04-20 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Apr 20, 2008, at 3:18 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Otared Kavian wrote:
>> How about the MacBook Air?…
>> It is some 1300 grams (but indeed more expensive).
>
> indeed much more expensive (my current workhorse is a dell M90); i
> have
> a 17 in mac sitting dead on a desk for year snow ... too closed
> hard/software to figure out the problem (i could have bought 10
> EEEPC's
> for the money)
>
> anyhow, for me the ieee solution sounds like a nice way to carry tex
> to
> a conference instead of a production machine -)
>
> Hans
Yes, the MacBook Air is nice, but in a completely different league -
price, specs etc. For me, the form factor was also very important: I
wanted something as small as possible, and the MBA has the same size
as a regular laptop. As for carrying TeX to a conference: the really
great thing is that you can have different operating systems on SDHC
cards. I have one with Mandriva and one with SuSE and want to try
Ubuntu next week. So you could have different TeX installs and switch
very quickly and cleanly.
I would've gone for the 9" as well, but given the looooooong wait for
the first generation, I don't think you'll be able to actually buy one
of those before the end of the summer. The 7" was announced for
November, then December, then February...
Thomas
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