* Manually scaling math fences
@ 2017-03-06 19:57 Aditya Mahajan
2017-03-07 6:35 ` Otared Kavian
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2017-03-06 19:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Hans,
There are instances where the automatic scaling provided by \left and
\right is not ideal and one has to use manual scaling. For example:
\starttext
\startTEXpage \startformula
\left\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \right\rangle
\hbox{ vs. }
\bigg\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \bigg\rangle
\stopformula \stopTEXpage
\stoptext
Currently, math fences always default to using \left and \right, which can
lead to undesirable results. For example:
\definemathfence [MEAN] [angle] [command=yes, color=blue]
\starttext
\startTEXpage \startformula
\MEAN{ \sum_{i = 1}^n A_i x_i }
\hbox{ vs. }
\bigg\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \bigg\rangle
\stopformula \stopTEXpage
\stoptext
Could we add an option to \definefence that allows the user to select the
delimiter scaling using a key (say, `delimiter`) so that
\MEAN[delimiter=auto] expands to \left\langle .. \right\langle
\MEAN[delimiter=] expands to \langle .. \rangle
\MEAN[delimiter=big] expands to \big\langle ... \big\rangle
\MEAN[delimiter=Big] expands to \Big\langle ... \Big\rangle
\MEAN[delimiter=bigg] expands to \bigg\langle ... \bigg\rangle
\MEAN[delimiter=Bigg] expands to \Bigg\langle ... \Bigg\rangle
I am not sure whether `delimiter` is the best key. I think that `scale`
may be better, but using `scale` for specifying the scaling of math
delimiters will be inconsistent with how `scale` is used everywhere else.
Another option is to use `alternative` key.
Thanks,
Aditya
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2017-03-06 19:57 Manually scaling math fences Aditya Mahajan
@ 2017-03-07 6:35 ` Otared Kavian
2017-03-07 9:49 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Otared Kavian @ 2017-03-07 6:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Aditya,
I agree totally with you and support your suggestion…
Maybe instead of the « delimiter » keyword, one could introduce a keyword such as « size »:
\MEAN[size=auto] expands to \left\langle .. \right\langle
\MEAN[size=] expands to \langle .. \rangle
\MEAN[size=big] expands to \big\langle ... \big\rangle
\MEAN[size=Big] expands to \Big\langle ... \Big\rangle
\MEAN[size=bigg] expands to \bigg\langle ... \bigg\rangle
\MEAN[size=Bigg] expands to \Bigg\langle ... \Bigg\rangle
Best regards: OK
> On 6 Mar 2017, at 20:57, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> There are instances where the automatic scaling provided by \left and \right is not ideal and one has to use manual scaling. For example:
>
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage \startformula
> \left\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \right\rangle
> \hbox{ vs. }
> \bigg\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \bigg\rangle
> \stopformula \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
>
> Currently, math fences always default to using \left and \right, which can lead to undesirable results. For example:
>
> \definemathfence [MEAN] [angle] [command=yes, color=blue]
>
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage \startformula
> \MEAN{ \sum_{i = 1}^n A_i x_i }
> \hbox{ vs. }
> \bigg\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \bigg\rangle
> \stopformula \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
>
> Could we add an option to \definefence that allows the user to select the delimiter scaling using a key (say, `delimiter`) so that
>
> \MEAN[delimiter=auto] expands to \left\langle .. \right\langle
> \MEAN[delimiter=] expands to \langle .. \rangle
> \MEAN[delimiter=big] expands to \big\langle ... \big\rangle
> \MEAN[delimiter=Big] expands to \Big\langle ... \Big\rangle
> \MEAN[delimiter=bigg] expands to \bigg\langle ... \bigg\rangle
> \MEAN[delimiter=Bigg] expands to \Bigg\langle ... \Bigg\rangle
>
> I am not sure whether `delimiter` is the best key. I think that `scale` may be better, but using `scale` for specifying the scaling of math delimiters will be inconsistent with how `scale` is used everywhere else. Another option is to use `alternative` key.
>
> Thanks,
> Aditya
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2017-03-07 6:35 ` Otared Kavian
@ 2017-03-07 9:49 ` Hans Hagen
2017-03-08 1:45 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-03-07 9:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 3/7/2017 7:35 AM, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Hi Aditya,
>
> I agree totally with you and support your suggestion…
> Maybe instead of the « delimiter » keyword, one could introduce a keyword such as « size »:
>
>
> \MEAN[size=auto] expands to \left\langle .. \right\langle
> \MEAN[size=] expands to \langle .. \rangle
> \MEAN[size=big] expands to \big\langle ... \big\rangle
> \MEAN[size=Big] expands to \Big\langle ... \Big\rangle
> \MEAN[size=bigg] expands to \bigg\langle ... \bigg\rangle
> \MEAN[size=Bigg] expands to \Bigg\langle ... \Bigg\rangle
with integrals we have factor as key ... anyway, i'll look into it (not
in the middle of something else) .. luatex actually has a bitmore
control over these matters built in
> Best regards: OK
>
>> On 6 Mar 2017, at 20:57, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hans,
>>
>> There are instances where the automatic scaling provided by \left and \right is not ideal and one has to use manual scaling. For example:
>>
>> \starttext
>> \startTEXpage \startformula
>> \left\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \right\rangle
>> \hbox{ vs. }
>> \bigg\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \bigg\rangle
>> \stopformula \stopTEXpage
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Currently, math fences always default to using \left and \right, which can lead to undesirable results. For example:
>>
>> \definemathfence [MEAN] [angle] [command=yes, color=blue]
>>
>> \starttext
>> \startTEXpage \startformula
>> \MEAN{ \sum_{i = 1}^n A_i x_i }
>> \hbox{ vs. }
>> \bigg\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \bigg\rangle
>> \stopformula \stopTEXpage
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Could we add an option to \definefence that allows the user to select the delimiter scaling using a key (say, `delimiter`) so that
>>
>> \MEAN[delimiter=auto] expands to \left\langle .. \right\langle
>> \MEAN[delimiter=] expands to \langle .. \rangle
>> \MEAN[delimiter=big] expands to \big\langle ... \big\rangle
>> \MEAN[delimiter=Big] expands to \Big\langle ... \Big\rangle
>> \MEAN[delimiter=bigg] expands to \bigg\langle ... \bigg\rangle
>> \MEAN[delimiter=Bigg] expands to \Bigg\langle ... \Bigg\rangle
>>
>> I am not sure whether `delimiter` is the best key. I think that `scale` may be better, but using `scale` for specifying the scaling of math delimiters will be inconsistent with how `scale` is used everywhere else. Another option is to use `alternative` key.
it would be something factor=2 or so, not the funny XxXxxxXX kind of flags
>> Thanks,
>> Aditya
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2017-03-07 9:49 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2017-03-08 1:45 ` Aditya Mahajan
2017-03-23 16:10 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2017-03-08 1:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> \MEAN[delimiter=auto] expands to \left\langle .. \right\langle
>>> \MEAN[delimiter=] expands to \langle .. \rangle
>>> \MEAN[delimiter=big] expands to \big\langle ... \big\rangle
>>> \MEAN[delimiter=Big] expands to \Big\langle ... \Big\rangle
>>> \MEAN[delimiter=bigg] expands to \bigg\langle ... \bigg\rangle
>>> \MEAN[delimiter=Bigg] expands to \Bigg\langle ... \Bigg\rangle
>>>
>>> I am not sure whether `delimiter` is the best key. I think that `scale`
> may be better, but using `scale` for specifying the scaling of math
> delimiters will be inconsistent with how `scale` is used everywhere else.
> Another option is to use `alternative` key.
>
> it would be something factor=2 or so, not the funny XxXxxxXX kind of flags
Sure. factor=(auto|none|1|2|3|4) is also ok (and would be directly mapped
to choosemathbig).
Aditya
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* Re: Manually scaling math fences
2017-03-08 1:45 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2017-03-23 16:10 ` Hans Hagen
2017-03-24 7:24 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-03-23 16:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3/8/2017 2:45 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=auto] expands to \left\langle .. \right\langle
>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=] expands to \langle .. \rangle
>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=big] expands to \big\langle ... \big\rangle
>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=Big] expands to \Big\langle ... \Big\rangle
>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=bigg] expands to \bigg\langle ... \bigg\rangle
>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=Bigg] expands to \Bigg\langle ... \Bigg\rangle
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure whether `delimiter` is the best key. I think that `scale`
>> may be better, but using `scale` for specifying the scaling of math
>> delimiters will be inconsistent with how `scale` is used everywhere
>> else. Another option is to use `alternative` key.
>>
>> it would be something factor=2 or so, not the funny XxXxxxXX kind of
>> flags
>
> Sure. factor=(auto|none|1|2|3|4) is also ok (and would be directly
> mapped to choosemathbig).
actually we will hook into a new feature of luatex for specifying the
size of delimiters (so no vbox hack) .. factors are multipliers of
bodyfontsize
\definemathfence [MEAN] [angle] [command=yes, color=blue, factor=2.5]
\starttext
\startTEXpage \startformula
\MEAN[factor=1]{\sum_{i = 1}^n A_i x_i }
\hbox{ vs. }
\MEAN{ \sum_{i = 1}^n A_i x_i }
\hbox{ vs. }
\bigg\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \bigg\rangle
\stopformula \stopTEXpage
\stoptext
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2017-03-23 16:10 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2017-03-24 7:24 ` Aditya Mahajan
2017-03-24 9:09 ` Hans Hagen
2017-03-24 9:56 ` Otared Kavian
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2017-03-24 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 3/8/2017 2:45 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=auto] expands to \left\langle .. \right\langle
>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=] expands to \langle .. \rangle
>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=big] expands to \big\langle ... \big\rangle
>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=Big] expands to \Big\langle ... \Big\rangle
>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=bigg] expands to \bigg\langle ... \bigg\rangle
>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=Bigg] expands to \Bigg\langle ... \Bigg\rangle
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure whether `delimiter` is the best key. I think that
> `scale`
>>> may be better, but using `scale` for specifying the scaling of math
>>> delimiters will be inconsistent with how `scale` is used everywhere
>>> else. Another option is to use `alternative` key.
>>>
>>> it would be something factor=2 or so, not the funny XxXxxxXX kind of
>>> flags
>>
>> Sure. factor=(auto|none|1|2|3|4) is also ok (and would be directly
>> mapped to choosemathbig).
>
> actually we will hook into a new feature of luatex for specifying the
> size of delimiters (so no vbox hack) .. factors are multipliers of
> bodyfontsize
>
> \definemathfence [MEAN] [angle] [command=yes, color=blue, factor=2.5]
>
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage \startformula
> \MEAN[factor=1]{\sum_{i = 1}^n A_i x_i }
> \hbox{ vs. }
> \MEAN{ \sum_{i = 1}^n A_i x_i }
> \hbox{ vs. }
> \bigg\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \bigg\rangle
> \stopformula \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
Thanks.
If I understand the code correctly (sorry, haven't tested it yet),
factor=, factor=none, and factor=auto all behave the same (all insert
\normalleft ... \normalright)
I think that it may be more consistent if factor= and factor=none do not
scale the delimited at all. To maintain backward compatibility, the
default value of factor can be set to auto.
Also what values of factor give scaling equal to \big, \Big, \bigg, and
\Bigg?
Aditya
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2017-03-24 7:24 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-03-24 9:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3/24/2017 8:24 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> On 3/8/2017 2:45 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2017, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=auto] expands to \left\langle .. \right\langle
>>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=] expands to \langle .. \rangle
>>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=big] expands to \big\langle ... \big\rangle
>>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=Big] expands to \Big\langle ... \Big\rangle
>>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=bigg] expands to \bigg\langle ... \bigg\rangle
>>>>>> \MEAN[delimiter=Bigg] expands to \Bigg\langle ... \Bigg\rangle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure whether `delimiter` is the best key. I think that
>> `scale`
>>>> may be better, but using `scale` for specifying the scaling of math
>>>> delimiters will be inconsistent with how `scale` is used everywhere
>>>> else. Another option is to use `alternative` key.
>>>>
>>>> it would be something factor=2 or so, not the funny XxXxxxXX kind of
>>>> flags
>>>
>>> Sure. factor=(auto|none|1|2|3|4) is also ok (and would be directly
>>> mapped to choosemathbig).
>>
>> actually we will hook into a new feature of luatex for specifying the
>> size of delimiters (so no vbox hack) .. factors are multipliers of
>> bodyfontsize
>>
>> \definemathfence [MEAN] [angle] [command=yes, color=blue, factor=2.5]
>>
>> \starttext
>> \startTEXpage \startformula
>> \MEAN[factor=1]{\sum_{i = 1}^n A_i x_i }
>> \hbox{ vs. }
>> \MEAN{ \sum_{i = 1}^n A_i x_i }
>> \hbox{ vs. }
>> \bigg\langle \sum_{i=1}^n A_i x_i \bigg\rangle
>> \stopformula \stopTEXpage
>> \stoptext
>
> Thanks.
>
> If I understand the code correctly (sorry, haven't tested it yet),
>
> factor=, factor=none, and factor=auto all behave the same (all insert
> \normalleft ... \normalright)
i prefer empty to be as before we even had factor i.e. same as auto
\ifx\p_factor\empty
#2%
\else\ifx\p_factor\v!auto
#2%
\else\ifx\p_factor\v!none
#3\s!height\zeropoint\s!depth\zeropoint\s!axis
#2%
\else
\scratchdimen\dimexpr\p_factor\bodyfontsize/2\relax
#3\s!height\scratchdimen\s!depth\scratchdimen\s!axis
\fi\fi\fi
> I think that it may be more consistent if factor= and factor=none do not
> scale the delimited at all. To maintain backward compatibility, the
> default value of factor can be set to auto.
>
> Also what values of factor give scaling equal to \big, \Big, \bigg, and
> \Bigg?
These values are actually somewhat weird and relate to the design size
of a font .. derived from plain:
0.85
1.15
1.45
1.75
but ... as these are extensibles a font might have more values. The
factor is n times the bodyfontsize (50% above and below the axis)
what actually comes out depends on the chosen font
Hans
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2017-03-24 9:59 ` Otared Kavian
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From: Otared Kavian @ 2017-03-24 9:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> On 24 Mar 2017, at 08:24, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
>> […]
>
> Thanks.
>
> If I understand the code correctly (sorry, haven't tested it yet),
Hi Aditya and Hans,
Thank you Hans for the new feature.
I did test the code sent by Hans, but it seems that the feature is not yet in the latest ConTeXt 2017.03.23 17:20 MKIV beta.
Best regards: OK
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2017-03-24 9:56 ` Otared Kavian
@ 2017-03-24 9:59 ` Otared Kavian
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From: Otared Kavian @ 2017-03-24 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Sorry for the noise… it does work fine indeed with ConTeXt 2017.03.23 17:20 MKIV beta (I tried last night with a previous version…).
Thank you so much Hans!
> On 24 Mar 2017, at 10:56, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On 24 Mar 2017, at 08:24, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
>>> […]
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> If I understand the code correctly (sorry, haven't tested it yet),
>
> Hi Aditya and Hans,
>
> Thank you Hans for the new feature.
> I did test the code sent by Hans, but it seems that the feature is not yet in the latest ConTeXt 2017.03.23 17:20 MKIV beta.
>
> Best regards: OK
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