* How to setup german documents?
@ 2004-02-16 14:26 Stefan Wachter
2004-02-17 8:17 ` Not seeing the wood because of so many trees Thomas A.Schmitz
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From: Stefan Wachter @ 2004-02-16 14:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi all!
I have a very basic question which occupies me for more than a week now:
How to setup documents for german language properly, such that:
1. the used input encoding is ISO-8859-1,
2. german special character are available, and
3. german hyphenation patterns are used.
The setup shown below does not work: TeX is not able to hyphenate
"Änderungsabnahme" and the \quotedblbase symbol is broader than its
counterpart the \quotedblleft symbol.
Thanks for your attention and help,
--Stefan
\setupoutput[pdftex]
\enableregime[il1]
\usetypescript[times][ec]
\mainlanguage[de]
\starttext
äÄöÖüÜß
quotedblbase: \quotedblbase
quotedblleft: \quotedblleft
\showhyphens{Änderungsabnahme}
\stoptext
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* Re: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
2004-02-16 14:26 How to setup german documents? Stefan Wachter
@ 2004-02-17 8:17 ` Thomas A.Schmitz
2004-02-18 6:24 ` Johannes Hüsing
` (2 more replies)
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From: Thomas A.Schmitz @ 2004-02-17 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
Sorry for going back to an older thread, but I don't think the question
was answered properly. Alexander Klink wanted to know how to typeset
"{" and "}". Suggestions were "\type|{| and \type|}|" or "$\{$ and
$\}$". Neither of which is satisfactory, because it will typeset them
either in typewriter or in math font. We had a discussion about similar
questions a while ago. I still think we should have "\{" and "\}" for
this kind of thing. As long as this isn't available, I see no better
solution than "\getglyph{Serif}{123}" and "\getglyph{Serif}{125}" vel.
sim. For those of us working in the humanities, these curly braces are
sometimes necessary (e.g., in critical editions), and having them in
typewriter or math fonts isn't acceptable. So may I continue my rally
for \{ etc.?
All best
Thomas
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* Re: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
2004-02-17 8:17 ` Not seeing the wood because of so many trees Thomas A.Schmitz
@ 2004-02-18 6:24 ` Johannes Hüsing
2004-02-18 7:50 ` Hans Hagen
2004-02-18 15:20 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-02-20 8:36 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Johannes Hüsing @ 2004-02-18 6:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
A couple of fonts, including Computer Modern Roman, do not have
curly braces as glyphs. As Computer Modern Roman is the brick-and-mortar
font of TeX, few people bother that there is no explicit token/command
that evokes it.
You have a point though.
--
Johannes Hüsing There is something fascinating about science. One gets
hannes@ruhrau.de such wholesale returns of conjecture from such a
trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain
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* Re: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
2004-02-18 6:24 ` Johannes Hüsing
@ 2004-02-18 7:50 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2004-02-18 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
At 07:24 18/02/2004, you wrote:
>A couple of fonts, including Computer Modern Roman, do not have
>curly braces as glyphs. As Computer Modern Roman is the brick-and-mortar
>font of TeX, few people bother that there is no explicit token/command
>that evokes it.
mayhe changing to LatinModern will help, since that's a complete font ...
Hans
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* Re[2]: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
2004-02-17 8:17 ` Not seeing the wood because of so many trees Thomas A.Schmitz
2004-02-18 6:24 ` Johannes Hüsing
@ 2004-02-18 15:20 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-02-19 17:21 ` Thomas A.Schmitz
2004-02-20 8:36 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2004-02-18 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
> Sorry for going back to an older thread, but I don't think the question
> was answered properly. Alexander Klink wanted to know how to typeset
> "{" and "}". Suggestions were "\type|{| and \type|}|" or "$\{$ and
> $\}$". Neither of which is satisfactory, because it will typeset them
> either in typewriter or in math font. We had a discussion about similar
> questions a while ago. I still think we should have "\{" and "\}" for
> this kind of thing. As long as this isn't available, I see no better
> solution than "\getglyph{Serif}{123}" and
> "\getglyph{Serif}{125}" vel.
> sim. For those of us working in the humanities, these curly braces are
> sometimes necessary (e.g., in critical editions), and having them in
> typewriter or math fonts isn't acceptable. So may I continue my rally
> for \{ etc.?
Sorry for the delay. \textbraceleft and \textbraceright should
work ok if encodings are set up correctly.
--
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
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* Re: Re[2]: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
2004-02-18 15:20 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta
@ 2004-02-19 17:21 ` Thomas A.Schmitz
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From: Thomas A.Schmitz @ 2004-02-19 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Feb 18, 2004, at 4:20 PM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
> \textbraceleft and \textbraceright should
> work ok if encodings are set up correctly.
Your're right, it works as expected. Thanks a lot!
All best
Thomas
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* Re: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
2004-02-17 8:17 ` Not seeing the wood because of so many trees Thomas A.Schmitz
2004-02-18 6:24 ` Johannes Hüsing
2004-02-18 15:20 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta
@ 2004-02-20 8:36 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2004-02-20 8:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
At 09:17 17/02/2004, Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
>Sorry for going back to an older thread, but I don't think the question
>was answered properly. Alexander Klink wanted to know how to typeset "{"
>and "}". Suggestions were "\type|{| and \type|}|" or "$\{$ and $\}$".
>Neither of which is satisfactory, because it will typeset them either in
>typewriter or in math font. We had a discussion about similar questions a
>while ago. I still think we should have "\{" and "\}" for
>this kind of thing. As long as this isn't available, I see no better
>solution than "\getglyph{Serif}{123}" and "\getglyph{Serif}{125}" vel.
>sim. For those of us working in the humanities, these curly braces are
>sometimes necessary (e.g., in critical editions), and having them in
>typewriter or math fonts isn't acceptable. So may I continue my rally for
>\{ etc.?
The problem is that the cmr fonts are not that complete. Once we switch to
the lmr fonts, this problem will disappear (sincethen we can use other
encoding vectors)
Hans
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* RE: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
@ 2004-02-18 6:43 "Höppner, Dierk"
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From: "Höppner, Dierk" @ 2004-02-18 6:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
I would second that. I can use it in computer program documentation for many
different things.
Greetings
Dierk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas A.Schmitz [mailto:thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:18 AM
> To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Not seeing the wood because of so
> many trees
>
>
> Sorry for going back to an older thread, but I don't think
> the question
> was answered properly. Alexander Klink wanted to know how to typeset
> "{" and "}". Suggestions were "\type|{| and \type|}|" or "$\{$ and
> $\}$". Neither of which is satisfactory, because it will typeset them
> either in typewriter or in math font. We had a discussion
> about similar
> questions a while ago. I still think we should have "\{" and
> "\}" for
> this kind of thing. As long as this isn't available, I see no better
> solution than "\getglyph{Serif}{123}" and
> "\getglyph{Serif}{125}" vel.
> sim. For those of us working in the humanities, these curly
> braces are
> sometimes necessary (e.g., in critical editions), and having them in
> typewriter or math fonts isn't acceptable. So may I continue my rally
> for \{ etc.?
>
> All best
>
> Thomas
>
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* RE: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
@ 2004-02-17 11:41 "Höppner, Dierk"
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From: "Höppner, Dierk" @ 2004-02-17 11:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello Tobias and Alexander,
both works. Thank you. I didnt know that I can use '|' instead of '{'}. But
one thing does not work:
{\bf $\{$}
does not print the '{' bold faced :-(
Is there a workaround for this problem?
Greetings
Dierk Höppner
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tobias Burnus [mailto:tobias.burnus@physik.fu-berlin.de]
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:04 PM
> To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Not seeing the wood because of so
> many trees
>
>
> Hello,
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 01:29:48PM +0100, Alexander Klink wrote:
> > > How do I print '{' and '}'. You may answer with RTFM but
> please name the M
> > > and page!
> > what about \type|{| and \type|}| (just like \verb in LaTeX)?
> Or $\{$ and $\}$ which uses the math font instead of the typewriter
> front.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tobias
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* Re: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
2004-02-13 12:29 ` Alexander Klink
@ 2004-02-13 15:04 ` Tobias Burnus
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From: Tobias Burnus @ 2004-02-13 15:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello,
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 01:29:48PM +0100, Alexander Klink wrote:
> > How do I print '{' and '}'. You may answer with RTFM but please name the M
> > and page!
> what about \type|{| and \type|}| (just like \verb in LaTeX)?
Or $\{$ and $\}$ which uses the math font instead of the typewriter
front.
Regards,
Tobias
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* Re: Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
2004-02-13 10:09 "Höppner, Dierk"
@ 2004-02-13 12:29 ` Alexander Klink
2004-02-13 15:04 ` Tobias Burnus
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From: Alexander Klink @ 2004-02-13 12:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi Dierk,
On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 11:09:22AM +0100, "Höppner, Dierk" wrote:
> just a short and simple question with hopefully a quick answer:
>
> How do I print '{' and '}'. You may answer with RTFM but please name the M
> and page!
what about \type|{| and \type|}| (just like \verb in LaTeX)?
> Thanks and sorry for the simple question.
never mind.
Greetings,
ALeX
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* Not seeing the wood because of so many trees
@ 2004-02-13 10:09 "Höppner, Dierk"
2004-02-13 12:29 ` Alexander Klink
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From: "Höppner, Dierk" @ 2004-02-13 10:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello,
just a short and simple question with hopefully a quick answer:
How do I print '{' and '}'. You may answer with RTFM but please name the M
and page!
Thanks and sorry for the simple question.
greetings
Dierk Höppner
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